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slash para cast this week on the fara

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cast we present Jerome Clark UFO

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researcher historian has been around for

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a number of years and has always

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fascinating insights and later on he'll

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be answering your questions I want to

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get into the show right away because of

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some of the things have happened this

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week and I wondered if Jerry you've ever

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considered the issues about life and

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death and whether people who are about

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to die kind of get the sense even if

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they're not ill that's almost coming to

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an end have you ever heard that in your

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experience well I think we all have they

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have no special authority on that

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subject but yes I'm not either

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action yeah I think about this for

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example before my father died in 1988 on

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September 9th that was my birthday and

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he calls me the night before he says you

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know are you doing okay and everything

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he spent more time to reassure himself

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that I was all right and then he never

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me and the next day he died

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just was playing cards with his friends

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and he was suddenly seized with a heart

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attack he was out but it's as if he knew

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the day before that the end was near and

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he just wanted to make peace and make

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sure everybody in his family was okay

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time and getting a call from somebody

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who just called talk I was so surprised

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realized that he knew he was dying he

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family and then my youngest three

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brothers grew up in the same adopted

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family and in 2001 we were reunited I

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had a wonderful two years of getting to

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know my mom it was quite a stunning

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phone call when they found me via the

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internet and a family reunion site that

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I registered on they've been looking for

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me for decades and my daughter's yeah my

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girlfriend answered the phone and her

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eyes got real wide and she covered the

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phone up she said there's some lady on

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the phone her name is Eva and she says

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she's your mommy oh my god sure enough I

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reconnected within a week and a half my

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mom and my cousin had flown out and we'd

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reconnected and it was great I finally

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reconcile her life for her and we had a

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big family and you know the four

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east for a couple years and and I called

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Merry Christmas and all that and then I

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wonderful heartfelt you know short

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little conversation with her and how her

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life had been complete and she was so

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happy her boys were doing good and then

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call from the hospital saying your

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mother hung up the phone evidently and

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died so I literally would in second of

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course you know she dies on Christmas

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Jim saying that his father died on his

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birthday it's kind of like hard to

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forget that day but yeah these things do

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happen it's human consciousness I think

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as I said I'm sure about you you will

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agree is quite a an amazing mystery we

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really don't know that much science

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our hand and then then create an impulse

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to close it let's

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or take a step it's a very interesting

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subject not enough work I think is being

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done really trying to get to the bottom

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of the Enigma human consciousness and

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then of course the tie-in between

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consciousness and the paranormal and

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UFOs and you know these wonderful

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the times I figured I died I didn't want

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to like play it I could top that but I'd

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literally talk to my mother just seconds

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raises because this week of course Steve

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compared to a Thomas Edison or Walt

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Disney died and it's interesting when he

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died because we know he had been ill he

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had pancreatic cancer in 2004 he had a

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liver transplant in 2009 taking an

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extended sick leave and then of course

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he must have known the end was near

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because just last month he stepped down

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as the CEO of Apple and Tim Cook who had

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temporary CEO replaced him but now we

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new iPhone and with the kind of with

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Siri which is a personal digital

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assistant like putting how in your cell

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phone now what's interesting here is

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that Jobs was not in attendance

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obviously Tim Cook rammed the show just

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like Steve Jobs would have done a few

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months earlier and then the next day

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Jobs died almost as if to say well I see

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the company is in good hands I don't

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have to hold on any longer

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goodbye well maybe maybe they somehow

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figured out a way to get his

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consciousness into some big mainframe or

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you think it's a my iPhone let me look

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Steve are you in there earth to Steve

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engage no God try out that personal

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digital assistant that's why the reason

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I brought that over and also I think

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it's time we know we like to try to talk

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the para cast and all the things they

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have to say that extend beyond the

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normal range of our discussions and

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certainly we'll go back right now pretty

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much to the areas where Jerry Clark has

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covered for so many years UFOs and of

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course he's been on the show several

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changes in the UFO field

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fakes of frauds the phonies a tabloid

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journalism so Jerry when you heard for

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example this thing overfilling brag know

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that his credentials were fake all that

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stuff did you know him

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no my communication with self broken all

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him broken all over the years was

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extremely slight in fact I don't even

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remember a contact with him and I was

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sorry to hear that I'm always sorry when

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you hear things like that and they

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happen not just and you follow through

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obviously but he's all areas of human

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experience and you just feel sad that

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someone felt that he couldn't make it on

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his own he had to invent credentials

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that he didn't really need any and all

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of us are judged by our accomplishments

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not anything else and it's just sort of

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sad because you know the naysayers more

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ammunition good well they always have

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something I mean no matter what happens

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we're not going to win with them they're

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just you know how to discredit us and

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destroy the whole enterprise don't worry

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about I just think of it more in human

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terms and I thought this guy probably

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still Umbro probably not a bad guy he

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just did something incredibly dumb for

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reasons only known to himself right well

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I mean obviously we don't want to get

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into the more sordid aspects of that

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because I've heard other stories and I

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don't want to get into it but the point

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being of course that he casts disrespect

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on everyone in the field when he does

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stuff like that I think that's probably

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reading too much into it I think that

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it's just one of those things you know

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that it's not just ethology in which

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this sort of thing happens people's in

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place credentials are all over the

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landscape I mean it's actually a you

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is why people do it because it's so easy

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these days and it's just yeah I in fact

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thought about it completely forgot about

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it I don't think it's

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big issue yeah well it obviously boils

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worthiness issues on the part of the

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exactly to do that and it's unfortunate

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of person that was getting out in the

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field and attempting to do good good

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field research but now because of that

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very unfortunate tawdry affair now you

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have to call into question every single

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thing that he published and yes you do

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we have Jerome Clark joining us with

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they lie about their credentials their

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that and you were about to say something

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else in response to Chris's remarks

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Jerry go ahead please yeah you know I

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think that is probably true that a

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Bronagh has really done some very good

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work some good investigations and

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research work but as Chris said you know

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even even the good he's done is lost by

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you know a bonehead decision there's

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just no way you're gonna win on that one

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I remember that he wrote a book with

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Alan Hynek in fact I think it was the

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last book with Alan

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aim on the cover 9si yeah that was the

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first book I read by him yeah I didn't

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really know even that he was off on

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other areas into the paranormal and so

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on I I just really hadn't paid a lot of

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attention to UM page was you know when

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you run around as long as I have you

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tend to focus on your own research

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projects and the people do you keep in

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touch with are you know old colleagues

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that you can trust and you know them and

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and you know how they think and then you

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can exchange information and then find

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you know the information trustworthy

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people that you don't know kind of sort

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of fade often to the side because

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they're just not engaged in what you

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know what interests you or what you're

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doing well over the years in UFO

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research have you met any reasonable

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number of people who play that game lied

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about their credentials oh I'm sure

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there have been some yeah they just

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don't come to mind it just hasn't really

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you know affected my life and and I

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focus and the people that I know and

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trust don't do that kind of thing well

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you know I think that Stan Friedman is a

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guy who's played it right that way

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you know has genuine educational and

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professional credentials that precede

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his life and ufology and he's never lied

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about them and I think that he's very

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very good to correct people and they

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when they call him doctor he says I know

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exactly I'm a PhD Stan understands that

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that you know you have to play that

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straight because your critics and your

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opponents are going to try to discredit

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you if you're lying about any well you

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always have to tell the truth it's sort

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of like what though you know Mark Twain

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famously said that that he didn't lie

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because it forced him to remember too

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many things and yeah it's just easier to

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be honest it's just you know if you're

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out there and you're and you're making

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controversial claims as anybody in

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ufology is by definition you'd better

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have your life in order because

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otherwise that people going to go

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rummaging through it to hurt you and

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I've never made a secret of the fact

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that I'm a college dropout you know I

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don't have any degrees and so of the

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Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were both

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managed to do something nonetheless so

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it's possible to survive that way and

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you hire college graduates to do the

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heavy lifting

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yeah under pay them but keep them happy

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exactly that's how you're doing you know

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you have a few billion dollars you know

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and you you hire those college graduates

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and there you go now yeah but look at

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what's going on in the in society right

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now I mean how many kids are graduating

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you know 20 years of debt facing them in

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the face and they can't get a job at

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Burger King with a with a degree it's

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really sad yeah my daughter has a degree

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in philosophy University of Wisconsin in

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fact an advanced she's working retail

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clothing for years my roommate from

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college is a philosophy major he

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couldn't get a job and in his you know

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his field of passion and expertise the

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famous like me had to go back and and

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get reeducate and become a you know

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counselor

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actually helping people substance abuse

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counselors so yeah yeah I was an English

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major in college and that did help me

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learn how to write and it did give me an

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appreciation for reading and literature

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and all those things which actually

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served my well me serve me well even in

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my little career in ethology and foodism

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so let's just look at that more in UFO

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field about people's reactions now

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you're trying to look good I guess

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obvious in the UFO field for skeptics

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you want to say look we're responsible

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people we're trying to present evidence

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about something that we don't understand

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nothing that you're going to do is going

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to change their ideology and their task

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to discredit it the field people are in

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it the whole idea extraordinary

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phenomena out there I don't care about

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them the extent that I care about them I

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care that I don't give them something

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that they can use to discredit me but

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beyond that I am addressing serious

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colleagues and intelligent open-minded

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people outside our little world and I

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think that I have succeeded in doing

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that just from my life experience that

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the people I intend to address are

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receptive to what I'm saying and they

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consider me trustworthy and that's

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really what I want to do but dealing

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with skeptics you know you know I'll be

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65 years old next month

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I just wanted time for that crap anymore

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at this point you too old to put up with

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that nonsense you know class and it's

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just I'm speaking of the debunkers do we

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have anybody today of the caliber of a

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fill class to contend with I'm not

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no class was really sort of speaking

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classes on this was a guy who really

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knew the subject and he really did you

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know do research investigation I mean it

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was hardly objective but it was genuine

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genuine inquiry he was trying to find

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answers that suited him and when you

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dealt with Phil glass you were dealing

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with somebody who knew what he was

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talking about and he would look for you

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know mistakes and errors and

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investigation and in that sense he was

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he was good for people because it's

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forced them to you know clean up their

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act and play their best game and I

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didn't particularly like class I knew

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him for many years he and I had a

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voluminous correspondence I don't think

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that he was a good guy but I actually

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think that I had a certain grudging

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respect for for his knowledge and his

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energy and I think that as I say he

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forced us to be our best because we

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weren't he was going to get us he was

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sure a pit bull yes thank you never

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never knew who I was I walked up at the

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98 MUFON symposium in Denver and he was

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kind of trudging down the hallway and

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with his walker and I put my arm around

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and said how you doing your Bulldog if

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you looked at me like do I know you and

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I said no and that's a good thing it's a

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good thing that we're talking to Jerome

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stuff here that you probably anywhere

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Jerome Clark is a guest the co-host is

625
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Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberger and

626
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the para cast as we continue we started

627
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talking about our perceptions of life

628
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and death and then UFOs about those who

629
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have discredited the field by dint of

630
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the fact that they mislead us on their

631
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credentials about the skeptics and about

632
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we don't have the informed skeptics

633
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anymore we have the dismissive ones what

634
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about these controversies that show up

635
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occasionally and I think of the tabloid

636
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journalism around the attacks of two

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well-known abduction researchers one of

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whom was no longer with us

639
00:28:02,640 --> 00:27:59,500
what are you feeling is when things like

640
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that happen well let me put it this way

641
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I have a couple ex-wife walking the

642
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world don't we all yes I'm just glad

643
00:28:15,930 --> 00:28:13,570
that they go on with their lives cycle

644
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on with mine we don't bother each other

645
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yeah and I think that that's what this

646
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is about and it's really unfortunate and

647
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it was unfortunate that Hopkins it was a

648
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seriously ill man had to endure that

649
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yeah well the thing is also which I was

650
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so unfortunate is saying people can

651
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disagree about research and methodology

652
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and whether or not someone like a Budd

653
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Hopkins or a David Jacobs are totally

654
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wrong in everything they did their

655
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approach was wrong it doesn't matter I'm

656
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not saying it is I'm saying if it were

657
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true that they were totally wrong that

658
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doesn't mean anything because in the end

659
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let's discuss it let's try to deal with

660
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it but in terms of abduction research

661
00:29:11,130 --> 00:29:07,270
looking now you know post but Hopkins

662
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era what do we do to discover what's

663
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going on well I think that in terms of

664
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apologies I think that we had been in

665
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the post abduction era for some time now

666
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you know I think the heyday is I think

667
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that we've entered a kind of post

668
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abduction I think that we kind of got

669
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that doesn't mean that we solved the

670
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mystery of what this trauma

671
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we're seems real enough at least on

672
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experiential level is about but I think

673
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that there's no longer there the

674
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obsession with that duction I don't

675
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think there are as many abduction

676
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reports there used to be it's still a

677
00:30:00,150 --> 00:29:56,560
puzzle over time I came to disagree with

678
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their conclusions but had reached but I

679
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still thought that but really had found

680
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something genuinely puzzling and very

681
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strange it's just that I tended to

682
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believe that probably the cause was

683
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something other than you know literal

684
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extraterrestrial kidnappings but I did

685
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respect what's work I did respect his

686
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conclusions it might be a good I mean

687
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they were his conclusions were arguable

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but I think that there are other

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interpretations possible well you sure

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did help a lot of people that's what

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your

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and you've never you can never

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underestimate the importance that he

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played in many people's lives and as you

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pointed out Jerry he really was a really

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sweet funny engaging man and just just a

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wonderful light and you know you can't

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you just can't put you know value on how

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much help you provided people the day he

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died I was I got work early in the

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morning I was shakin all day and I I

702
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don't think that I've taken the death of

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a colleague that hard maybe since they

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call a couple of years ago dick was also

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a good friend of mine but these were two

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giants and but it was extremely good to

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people these were suffering people and

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he found ways to bring them back into

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the world and and find a way to live and

710
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you know I think that you know he was a

711
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he was investigator but in a way he was

712
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also a healer yeah and I think that the

713
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history will be kind about Hopkins yeah

714
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well I think anybody that gets involved

715
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you know you out in the field working

716
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directly with experiencers at some point

717
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realizes that they are providing I've

718
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often equated myself at times it's

719
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almost like a paranormal shrink because

720
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people generally don't really have any

721
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recourse they can maybe talk with their

722
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family members or close friends but a

723
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lot of these issues you just can't take

724
00:32:14,990 --> 00:32:12,039
them to to someone you don't know that

725
00:32:17,460 --> 00:32:15,000
well and discuss them and I found it

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quite a number of people that I dealt

727
00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:20,799
with personally really appreciated that

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they could actually tell somebody what

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they felt they were going through with

730
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no fear of ridicule and no fear of

731
00:32:32,909 --> 00:32:29,980
judgment and it's at that objectivity

732
00:32:34,590 --> 00:32:32,919
that you really need to fine-tune as

733
00:32:37,470 --> 00:32:34,600
someone that goes out in the field that

734
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:37,480
I think really then becomes a very very

735
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,809
helpful element in some of these

736
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:42,880
people's lives and and Budd was a master

737
00:32:45,779 --> 00:32:43,440
it

738
00:32:48,899 --> 00:32:45,789
yes as well so I think that

739
00:32:50,940 --> 00:32:48,909
investigators if they're decent or

740
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sensitive people at all find that they

741
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also have a human responsibility you

742
00:32:59,489 --> 00:32:57,009
know beyond the responsibility of the

743
00:33:02,159 --> 00:32:59,499
investigator and the researcher I think

744
00:33:05,570 --> 00:33:02,169
that we really need to think more about

745
00:33:08,639 --> 00:33:05,580
that for example I watched the way

746
00:33:11,609 --> 00:33:08,649
perfectly reasonable normal decent

747
00:33:14,339 --> 00:33:11,619
people come forward with a story and

748
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:14,349
then I watched them being savaged even

749
00:33:19,229 --> 00:33:17,049
in the allegedly cruel UFO nurture I

750
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:19,239
think people like Travis Walton they're

751
00:33:25,529 --> 00:33:22,049
Jesse Marcel people like that or just

752
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ripped to pieces and I think that is

753
00:33:34,589 --> 00:33:29,529
really wrong I remember one time going

754
00:33:37,769 --> 00:33:34,599
through a huge file at the night camp it

755
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:37,779
compiled on its investigation of the

756
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West Virginia contacting woody Durham

757
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:42,570
burger and there was a guy who was a

758
00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:45,279
psychiatrist who got peripherally

759
00:33:53,399 --> 00:33:49,809
involved in this complicated episode and

760
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,409
the night cap investigator had even had

761
00:33:59,399 --> 00:33:56,080
gone into this peripheral figures

762
00:34:02,700 --> 00:33:59,409
personal life and even somehow had got

763
00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:02,710
his credit report and all this really

764
00:34:09,269 --> 00:34:05,700
deeply private and the irrelevant stuff

765
00:34:15,269 --> 00:34:09,279
was in the file I thought that's going

766
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:15,279
weak I've never quite felt the need to

767
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,529
do that although I have checked into a

768
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:19,599
few ranches that I suspected of

769
00:34:26,909 --> 00:34:23,440
insurance fraud for reporting livestock

770
00:34:29,250 --> 00:34:26,919
mutilated but other than that yeah it's

771
00:34:32,099 --> 00:34:29,260
you know I mean I think that that that's

772
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:32,109
reasonable but this guy if you've read

773
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:35,679
his story it was clear that this mental

774
00:34:41,879 --> 00:34:38,889
health professional had himself some

775
00:34:45,269 --> 00:34:41,889
kind of nervous breakdown and and that's

776
00:34:47,609 --> 00:34:45,279
where his story of channeling aliens

777
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:47,619
came from it wasn't because he was blind

778
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,169
it was that he got so obsessed with what

779
00:34:55,649 --> 00:34:52,720
he doing Berger did his own you know

780
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:55,659
kind of mental yeah kind of mental

781
00:35:01,180 --> 00:34:56,810
breakdown and it wasn't

782
00:35:04,660 --> 00:35:01,190
to take into his personal life ya know

783
00:35:07,540 --> 00:35:04,670
that's there's some line to just don't

784
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:07,550
need to cross there's just no there's no

785
00:35:12,190 --> 00:35:10,610
point to it exactly but it isn't that

786
00:35:14,380 --> 00:35:12,200
part and parcel of the way our society

787
00:35:17,710 --> 00:35:14,390
works now where we don't just want to

788
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:17,720
know about who and what a person is we

789
00:35:23,380 --> 00:35:19,250
have to know about all their personal

790
00:35:24,820 --> 00:35:23,390
details the deep dark and ugly details

791
00:35:26,970 --> 00:35:24,830
of their lives and everybody has

792
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:26,980
something that they'd like to live down

793
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:29,690
exactly I think there's this really sick

794
00:35:41,530 --> 00:35:34,910
compulsion just to destroy people and

795
00:35:49,350 --> 00:35:41,540
you know you see these are people when

796
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:49,360
they come to us they deserve you know

797
00:35:57,490 --> 00:35:53,330
our trust they deserve to be treated

798
00:35:59,560 --> 00:35:57,500
decently and unless you have some reason

799
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:59,570
to believe that they're involved in some

800
00:36:04,690 --> 00:36:02,000
scam and that happens sometimes not

801
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:04,700
often you know you treat them as be some

802
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:08,450
lane as considerably as possible and you

803
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:11,570
don't expose them to ridicule personal

804
00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:13,730
devastation because that's really what

805
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:17,060
they're trying to escape what makes it

806
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:19,130
difficult here is of course if you

807
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:21,410
disagree with somebody and this is

808
00:36:24,970 --> 00:36:23,510
something that I think a lot of this we

809
00:36:27,820 --> 00:36:24,980
see on the internet you disagree with

810
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:27,830
somebody don't just say here's why I

811
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:30,290
disagree with you you demonize them you

812
00:36:35,590 --> 00:36:32,930
look for skeletons in their closet you

813
00:36:38,170 --> 00:36:35,600
exploit it you make a little thing into

814
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:38,180
a big thing speaking of little things

815
00:36:42,850 --> 00:36:40,910
and big things about big things we talk

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just the cases and the stuff that we all

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hear about but why we are so obsessed

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with the personalities and how have you

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dealt with that over the years well I

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had a strange experience on UFO updates

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email lists recently where a pretty

934
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skeptic that I've known for a long time

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inspired with but I always thought in

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basically friendly fashion it just

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became clear to me at some point that he

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thought that he was right not just on

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the facts but on the morality of that

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that he was morally superior to people

941
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who disagree with it

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now I don't find that that's the case I

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can disagree with people and think that

944
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they're perfectly decent people and and

945
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this is not personal and most of these

946
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arguments aren't personal I mean the UFO

947
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phenomenon is incredibly complicated and

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controversial and people are going to

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have different opinions about it and all

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of those differing opinions aren't

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unreasonable the reasonable people can

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look at this and come to different kinds

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of reasonable conclusions and that this

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doesn't speak to you as a moral human

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being it just speaks to that particular

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part of the UFO phenomenon that you

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think defines it and that's why people

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disagree because they focus on a or b

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and somebody else is focusing on C or D

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and there's plenty there you know

961
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there's just you know there's a lot to

962
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find there and everything and opinions

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differ because people differ on what's

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important there

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what is defining about you upload data

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but has nothing to do with their

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character well I guess the concern about

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someone's character is if they're

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defrauding you if you're stealing your

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money if they're lying about what they

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experienced I guess you are concerned

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about the flaws in their character but

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if somebody just has a claim that you

974
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may disagree with it doesn't mean

975
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they're a bad person and I think even in

976
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our politics it's like that these days

977
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yes people in this field because of

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their little narrow focus tend to think

979
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that what goes on and you follow gee is

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unique in fact it's just very typical

981
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human behavior to plays out all across

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the spectrum of human behavior you know

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the few the intolerance the craziness

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honesty and just a simple you know

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honest difference of opinion that's

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that's all human ufologists if nothing

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else are human beings acting like human

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beings and they just happened to be in

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say the wrong place or the right place

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at the right time and that's it well

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it's like you know it's like the you

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know the three of us you know we're

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we're here just from circumstance and we

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were young and impressionable we saw

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something or we read a book you know so

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here we are young many years later in

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this you know the strange little place

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just a couple of old codgers and of

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course Chris who's the young person our

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group so two old men one very young man

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just kind of talking about what's going

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on

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right and yeah isn't that interesting

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about the differences about the fact

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that on the long haul if several things

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didn't happen to me I would maybe never

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been involved in UFO research if my

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brother hadn't left a copy of a book by

1009
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major Donald Kehoe flying saucers from

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outer space on his living room coffee

1011
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table maybe I would become interested

1012
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it's as simple as I hadn't that I hadn't

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joined the science-fiction book club in

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1957 and gotten

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a true pal sleep or an unidentified

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flying objects and this was a subject

1017
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that I had given no thought to

1018
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whatsoever before but if I had read my

1019
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first UFO book had been charged dance

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keys flying saucers have landed even as

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that young and tender age I would have

1022
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seen this as ridiculous and silly and if

1023
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I had read the dance key first I would

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have just written the whole subject off

1025
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and gone out whenever I was going to do

1026
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if I hadn't read repeal first do you

1027
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think that you would have chosen a

1028
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different profession I mean not just

1029
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writing about UFOs but all the other

1030
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things you did in your life writing

1031
00:46:14,359 --> 00:46:09,930
music I think that I probably would have

1032
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that's really my major interest in life

1033
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is along with South you know Brooks

1034
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music which I'm fairly expert on at this

1035
00:46:28,809 --> 00:46:25,259
point of my life but I read mostly

1036
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history and that's always interested me

1037
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in fact I was able to combine my

1038
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interest in history with my historical

1039
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well that's an interesting thing to

1040
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looking at your historical perspective

1041
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and this is one of the reasons why we'd

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like to bring you on looking at the

1043
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changes in the UFO mystery and UF /

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search now I think today and now you can

1045
00:46:59,359 --> 00:46:57,299
disagree with me all you want but I see

1046
00:47:01,640 --> 00:46:59,369
sometimes we're playing out the same

1047
00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:01,650
scenario as the 1950s where Maitre

1048
00:47:05,450 --> 00:47:03,660
Donald Kehoe was talking about the

1049
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silence group the government knows the

1050
00:47:10,009 --> 00:47:06,029
secret

1051
00:47:12,049 --> 00:47:10,019
let's have what he would you know have

1052
00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:12,059
called his version of disclosure so now

1053
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:14,940
we seek disclosure all over again is

1054
00:47:19,029 --> 00:47:16,920
that history repeating itself people

1055
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:19,039
forgetting the lessons of history what I

1056
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:21,180
think the what's happening in ufology

1057
00:47:27,319 --> 00:47:23,609
today is pretty much all of the awful

1058
00:47:31,309 --> 00:47:27,329
history is being replayed right now but

1059
00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:31,319
that every strain that is part of the

1060
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:34,680
UFO controversy over these over the

1061
00:47:40,819 --> 00:47:37,200
decades is out there now there's their

1062
00:47:42,620 --> 00:47:40,829
people who are focused on nuts bolt in

1063
00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:42,630
the Mexico

1064
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:45,960
people for the paranormal there are the

1065
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:49,440
new age types there are people obsessed

1066
00:47:55,370 --> 00:47:52,680
with government secrecy you know alleged

1067
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:55,380
knowledge of crash disk and so on all

1068
00:48:01,400 --> 00:47:58,130
these things are seams that played out

1069
00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:01,410
in the field I think the one difference

1070
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:04,710
is to by now there actually is you know

1071
00:48:13,069 --> 00:48:09,210
a small but impressive library of actual

1072
00:48:16,220 --> 00:48:13,079
you know scholarly work and analysis and

1073
00:48:19,789 --> 00:48:16,230
and although most of us publish holes

1074
00:48:22,789 --> 00:48:19,799
and anomalies are still flawed at best

1075
00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:22,799
there really are good books there are

1076
00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:25,950
good papers and there are good people

1077
00:48:33,319 --> 00:48:29,339
and and that's what will last the rest

1078
00:48:36,259 --> 00:48:33,329
of it is just kind of extraneous it's

1079
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:36,269
just a social movement playing itself

1080
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:39,000
out but the real scholarship the real

1081
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:41,490
research will stand and that's what

1082
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:44,400
people will be looking at you know 50

1083
00:48:51,019 --> 00:48:47,609
years well let's just take a look at

1084
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:51,029
that as far as the social aspect why is

1085
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:54,569
it that people get attracted UFOs

1086
00:49:01,880 --> 00:48:56,970
because of the mystery the lore of maybe

1087
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,890
coming up with et meeting et well I

1088
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:03,839
think this subject is just inherently

1089
00:49:08,059 --> 00:49:05,490
interesting you know mysteries of any

1090
00:49:09,319 --> 00:49:08,069
kind are interesting and this is a

1091
00:49:13,759 --> 00:49:09,329
mystery that seems particularly

1092
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:13,769
impenetrable and you know people get

1093
00:49:17,630 --> 00:49:15,569
into it they think yeah I'm gonna have

1094
00:49:19,940 --> 00:49:17,640
to stop I can nobody else can solve but

1095
00:49:21,410 --> 00:49:19,950
I'm gonna solve it and by the time they

1096
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:21,420
realize they're not going to solve it

1097
00:49:24,049 --> 00:49:22,170
they're hooked

1098
00:49:26,180 --> 00:49:24,059
they're either hooked or they're just

1099
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:26,190
giving up in frustration now Jean you

1100
00:49:31,249 --> 00:49:28,710
know over the years all the people we've

1101
00:49:33,740 --> 00:49:31,259
seen come in the door and go out and

1102
00:49:36,529 --> 00:49:33,750
there are a few of us have remained in

1103
00:49:38,509 --> 00:49:36,539
the building but we are resigned to

1104
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:38,519
we're not going to know the answer I in

1105
00:49:44,660 --> 00:49:41,490
my own head I have found answers that I

1106
00:49:46,609 --> 00:49:44,670
could live with but you know I also know

1107
00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:46,619
that I could be wrong but I can live

1108
00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:47,160
with that

1109
00:49:52,460 --> 00:49:50,700
now as far as the social aspect what's

1110
00:49:56,299 --> 00:49:52,470
their purpose what's their reason I

1111
00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:56,309
think it just you know people I don't

1112
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,440
know I can't be people's minds I mean I

1113
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:00,480
just think that that it's just the

1114
00:50:06,740 --> 00:50:03,119
mystery basically that's what drives

1115
00:50:09,259 --> 00:50:06,750
people and either they can they they can

1116
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:09,269
live with mystery or they can't they can

1117
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:10,890
live with mystery if they can live with

1118
00:50:16,220 --> 00:50:12,569
uncertainty and ambiguity

1119
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,230
they will stay interested if they can't

1120
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:18,240
they will go elsewhere maybe to

1121
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:20,460
someplace where they are more likely to

1122
00:50:24,380 --> 00:50:22,890
get an answer but I think that with UFO

1123
00:50:27,859 --> 00:50:24,390
phenomenon we're dealing with something

1124
00:50:29,450 --> 00:50:27,869
that is beyond criminology and you know

1125
00:50:32,029 --> 00:50:29,460
that you're going to get only so far

1126
00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:32,039
you're not gonna get further and you're

1127
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:35,369
going to see the thing play itself over

1128
00:50:39,019 --> 00:50:37,200
and over and over again to the point of

1129
00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:39,029
monotony I mean I was reading something

1130
00:50:45,529 --> 00:50:43,049
that I think Roger Marshall today he

1131
00:50:49,730 --> 00:50:45,539
said that most UFO reports are still

1132
00:50:52,579 --> 00:50:49,740
pretty boring just struck me yeah a lot

1133
00:50:55,579 --> 00:50:52,589
of this by always boring we've just seen

1134
00:50:58,249 --> 00:50:55,589
it we play itself continually doesn't

1135
00:51:02,210 --> 00:50:58,259
mean we understand it but we understand

1136
00:51:04,839 --> 00:51:02,220
how it happens how it works I think that

1137
00:51:07,849 --> 00:51:04,849
the ethology has established that much

1138
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:07,859
that we know how this thing works we

1139
00:51:13,009 --> 00:51:10,609
don't know what it is but we know Han

1140
00:51:15,410 --> 00:51:13,019
well speaking of knowing how things work

1141
00:51:17,420 --> 00:51:15,420
this is how this works you're listening

1142
00:51:19,549 --> 00:51:17,430
to the parent cast with Gene Steinberg

1143
00:51:21,980 --> 00:51:19,559
and Christopher O'Brien if you have a

1144
00:51:23,329 --> 00:51:21,990
comment or a question send it to News at

1145
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:23,339
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1146
00:51:29,210 --> 00:51:26,250
that's news of the power cast calm our

1147
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:29,220
guest is UFO historian Jerome Clark

1148
00:51:33,289 --> 00:51:30,720
we're trying to set things in

1149
00:51:35,660 --> 00:51:33,299
perspective so you'll understand where

1150
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:35,670
we are how we got here and maybe where

1151
00:51:50,740 --> 00:51:47,130
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1152
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1155
00:52:01,090 --> 00:51:59,480
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1168
00:52:26,410 --> 00:52:25,250
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1169
00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:26,420
Anderson have you ever wondered why

1170
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:28,280
banks stockbrokers investment advisors

1171
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:30,050
won't talk about gold IRAs they've been

1172
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:32,210
available since 1986 yet the financial

1173
00:52:35,290 --> 00:52:33,710
industry won't recognize the value of

1174
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:35,300
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1175
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:37,280
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1176
00:52:50,250 --> 00:52:38,930
about IRAs if you would like to have

1177
00:52:58,590 --> 00:52:51,840
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1178
00:53:07,380 --> 00:53:02,530
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1179
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:07,390
standard of paranormal radio and now

1180
00:53:16,330 --> 00:53:14,720
here's James Steinberg as we continue

1181
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:16,340
with the second hour of the power cast

1182
00:53:21,730 --> 00:53:18,170
our guest Jerome Clarke I'm Jean

1183
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:21,740
Steinberg and we're exploring the UFO

1184
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:26,480
field about attitudes now looking at the

1185
00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:28,960
prevailing opinions in UFO field we had

1186
00:53:36,610 --> 00:53:33,110
the belief that eat he was coming the et

1187
00:53:40,030 --> 00:53:36,620
was here and then kind of in the 60s and

1188
00:53:42,190 --> 00:53:40,040
70s maybe part of the counterculture we

1189
00:53:46,420 --> 00:53:42,200
started looking into other possibilities

1190
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:46,430
such as UFOs from other dimensions UFOs

1191
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:49,090
from the Inner Earth all sorts of

1192
00:53:55,660 --> 00:53:52,880
different kinds of explanations so where

1193
00:53:58,330 --> 00:53:55,670
is that god it's still here finding the

1194
00:54:00,430 --> 00:53:58,340
at least for some of the in phenomenon

1195
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:00,440
the ETH is calming better shaped ins

1196
00:54:04,620 --> 00:54:02,570
ever been and that's because of the

1197
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:04,630
escalating discovery of extrasolar

1198
00:54:10,660 --> 00:54:07,970
planets many of the first likes and some

1199
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:10,670
of them within reasonably close distance

1200
00:54:15,370 --> 00:54:12,410
of the Earth for example about 36

1201
00:54:18,430 --> 00:54:15,380
million light years in a recent

1202
00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:18,440
discovery I think that if the galaxy is

1203
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:22,390
indeed densely populated the presence of

1204
00:54:27,790 --> 00:54:24,770
extraterrestrial visitors is almost to

1205
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:27,800
be expected I think that the eph will be

1206
00:54:33,940 --> 00:54:31,370
validated but it but there that's not

1207
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:33,950
the entire UFO question and the rest of

1208
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:35,930
it is probably a lot more difficult but

1209
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:38,960
I do think that that as was suspected by

1210
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:42,890
a few in 1947 we may indeed be seeing

1211
00:54:48,070 --> 00:54:45,050
evidence of an et presence I think

1212
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:48,080
that's a perfectly reasonable inference

1213
00:54:53,140 --> 00:54:50,210
but it doesn't explain you know that

1214
00:54:55,180 --> 00:54:53,150
really stuff that came along in the

1215
00:54:58,240 --> 00:54:55,190
latter 1960s

1216
00:55:01,090 --> 00:54:58,250
the highly strange stuff that seems to

1217
00:55:03,610 --> 00:55:01,100
have you know paranormal aspects and was

1218
00:55:06,250 --> 00:55:03,620
just so real and weird that sort of

1219
00:55:08,590 --> 00:55:06,260
stuff doesn't fit so well into a into

1220
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,600
the ETH that has to be dealt with

1221
00:55:13,269 --> 00:55:10,400
I think perhaps

1222
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,279
question um just a little kind of an

1223
00:55:17,019 --> 00:55:15,680
update here I recently spoke with a

1224
00:55:18,819 --> 00:55:17,029
couple of folks that have had

1225
00:55:21,309 --> 00:55:18,829
conversations recently with Jacques

1226
00:55:23,950 --> 00:55:21,319
Vallee and both unbeknownst to one

1227
00:55:26,049 --> 00:55:23,960
another made the comment that valet is

1228
00:55:29,170 --> 00:55:26,059
being slowly drawn back towards the

1229
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:29,180
center there in relation to the regards

1230
00:55:34,359 --> 00:55:31,130
to the ETH so perhaps some of those

1231
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:34,369
early out-of-the-box theorists like

1232
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:37,490
ballet now with you know the evidence of

1233
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:39,650
these Goldilocks planets as Jerry just

1234
00:55:45,220 --> 00:55:42,529
brought up maybe that a combination of

1235
00:55:47,019 --> 00:55:45,230
other elements is starting to make

1236
00:55:51,630 --> 00:55:47,029
people sort of drift back in that

1237
00:55:54,970 --> 00:55:51,640
direction who have been staunchly anti

1238
00:55:57,819 --> 00:55:54,980
many years in the case of LA that's very

1239
00:56:00,700 --> 00:55:57,829
interesting you said that I in fact when

1240
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:00,710
I reviewed ballets last book which he

1241
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:03,049
wrote with course all back I criticized

1242
00:56:10,539 --> 00:56:06,799
la for not having had in a fresh idea in

1243
00:56:12,460 --> 00:56:10,549
decades because I thought that that I

1244
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:12,470
when I look back from what I was

1245
00:56:18,099 --> 00:56:15,440
thinking in 1969 when valets passport to

1246
00:56:22,329 --> 00:56:18,109
the cornea which is usually a book came

1247
00:56:25,089 --> 00:56:22,339
out you know ideas have evolved fairly

1248
00:56:27,370 --> 00:56:25,099
radically over time but I'm glad to hear

1249
00:56:29,620 --> 00:56:27,380
that and I hope that's true you know I

1250
00:56:31,539 --> 00:56:29,630
don't really know Jacque that well I do

1251
00:56:34,089 --> 00:56:31,549
know that he's always knocking me in his

1252
00:56:35,410 --> 00:56:34,099
books but I basically like the guy and I

1253
00:56:38,049 --> 00:56:35,420
think that he's basically just a

1254
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:38,059
positive influence he's not you in his

1255
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:41,690
books how so howdy knocking me have you

1256
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,410
read it

1257
00:56:46,750 --> 00:56:44,480
well okay I think we need to explain to

1258
00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:46,760
our listeners exactly what's going on

1259
00:56:52,529 --> 00:56:48,710
it's not have you read the book because

1260
00:56:58,329 --> 00:56:52,539
they haven't read the book okay

1261
00:57:02,109 --> 00:56:58,339
criticize me in his books for saying the

1262
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:02,119
Ephs be considered successful pop and he

1263
00:57:07,029 --> 00:57:04,970
in his books maintains that that is a

1264
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:07,039
close question and only pull these

1265
00:57:16,990 --> 00:57:15,440
people like to Ron Clark and if it is

1266
00:57:19,029 --> 00:57:17,000
true that you actually is reconsidering

1267
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:19,039
his thought I think that that's speaks

1268
00:57:24,130 --> 00:57:21,890
well that all of us should you know we

1269
00:57:26,740 --> 00:57:24,140
examine our opinions and our

1270
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:26,750
leaves and see how well they measure up

1271
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:28,400
and I think that the bending the tour

1272
00:57:35,020 --> 00:57:32,570
sensible adult does that every day and I

1273
00:57:36,610 --> 00:57:35,030
think I mean I like shock and I think

1274
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:36,620
that he's been a positive influence but

1275
00:57:42,250 --> 00:57:38,810
if he's think be thinking that's good

1276
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:42,260
well I must say any alien species that

1277
00:57:47,020 --> 00:57:45,050
would bother to waste any time ever

1278
00:57:50,350 --> 00:57:47,030
resources and energy coming to this

1279
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:50,360
primitive violent misogynist planet I

1280
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:52,250
just got a wonder about the motivations

1281
00:58:00,190 --> 00:57:55,730
well your intellectual curiosity I mean

1282
00:58:04,030 --> 00:58:00,200
you know we you know anthropologists go

1283
00:58:07,780 --> 00:58:04,040
to remote places to study you know

1284
00:58:09,490 --> 00:58:07,790
tribal societies and I think that that

1285
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:09,500
there are all kinds of reasons to come

1286
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:11,090
here and I'm sure they're going

1287
00:58:15,220 --> 00:58:13,520
elsewhere to assist you know they're

1288
00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:15,230
curious they want to know you know what

1289
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:18,110
how did life involving in the universe

1290
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:20,000
what happens when it reaches the point

1291
00:58:24,430 --> 00:58:22,730
that it is found ways for example to

1292
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:24,440
destroy itself you know we could destroy

1293
00:58:28,570 --> 00:58:26,410
ourselves with nuclear weapons or

1294
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:28,580
environmental devastation I mean we're

1295
00:58:33,690 --> 00:58:30,770
at a real crossroads that might be

1296
00:58:37,140 --> 00:58:33,700
interesting to exit trust your pictures

1297
00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:37,150
maybe there's like some sort of galactic

1298
00:58:41,980 --> 00:58:39,710
Las Vegas and they're they're placing

1299
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:41,990
odds on how soon it'll be before we

1300
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:46,370
totally annihilate ourselves with either

1301
00:58:52,780 --> 00:58:49,970
pollution nuclear weapons you know some

1302
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:52,790
sort of biological agent that gets out

1303
00:58:56,590 --> 00:58:53,450
of hand

1304
00:58:58,600 --> 00:58:56,600
that's ill-advisedly use or something

1305
00:59:00,730 --> 00:58:58,610
maybe there's like a bookie out there

1306
00:59:03,790 --> 00:59:00,740
that's giving my chips to people for

1307
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:03,800
people to update their bets and and put

1308
00:59:08,740 --> 00:59:05,810
new money down as the odds go up that

1309
00:59:11,110 --> 00:59:08,750
we're not going to survive much like the

1310
00:59:14,620 --> 00:59:11,120
character name of the Star Trek series

1311
00:59:18,310 --> 00:59:14,630
quark who was a Ferengi that was the

1312
00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:18,320
race he came from and he was shall we

1313
00:59:23,530 --> 00:59:21,710
say the wheeler dealer of the crew there

1314
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:23,540
nobody else cared about money but he did

1315
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:32,450
right well I think that clean up our act

1316
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:36,530
I don't I don't think that I mean I'm

1317
00:59:41,380 --> 00:59:37,970
not a paranoid not

1318
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:41,390
alarmist but I I think that you know we

1319
00:59:46,330 --> 00:59:43,609
have a century to clean up our act at

1320
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:46,340
most we're real we're in real trouble

1321
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:50,480
I mean global warming clone is going to

1322
00:59:55,180 --> 00:59:53,450
have an enormous impact and a broader

1323
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:55,190
one than most people understand because

1324
01:00:01,089 --> 00:59:59,119
well I'm economic and political and all

1325
01:00:05,290 --> 01:00:01,099
kinds of implications which will be

1326
01:00:08,260 --> 01:00:05,300
destructive and we just if

1327
01:00:10,450 --> 01:00:08,270
extraterrestrials are watching I think

1328
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:10,460
that that they may want to see whether

1329
01:00:13,660 --> 01:00:12,050
we're going to survive this if we

1330
01:00:17,970 --> 01:00:13,670
survive the next hundred years we

1331
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:17,980
probably will survive we don't we won't

1332
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:20,720
so all kinds of interesting things that

1333
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:25,730
they could be studying about us so where

1334
01:00:28,570 --> 01:00:27,170
do you think the odds are right now

1335
01:00:31,660 --> 01:00:28,580
let's what are the odds if you had to

1336
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:31,670
make book on this will be odds be I am

1337
01:00:35,830 --> 01:00:32,690
NOT optimistic

1338
01:00:37,930 --> 01:00:35,840
my friend Michael swords is retired

1339
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:37,940
professor of environmental science at

1340
01:00:43,210 --> 01:00:40,730
Western Michigan University and Mike was

1341
01:00:46,599 --> 01:00:43,220
telling me 20 years ago that global

1342
01:00:48,490 --> 01:00:46,609
warming was coming a lot faster and it

1343
01:00:51,130 --> 01:00:48,500
was going to be a lot worse than you

1344
01:00:53,740 --> 01:00:51,140
were reading in the newspaper and we're

1345
01:00:56,410 --> 01:00:53,750
seeing that playing out in that in fact

1346
01:00:59,170 --> 01:00:56,420
it is coming much faster and the

1347
01:01:04,540 --> 01:00:59,180
consequences are even worse than was

1348
01:01:05,950 --> 01:01:04,550
thought at 20 years ago and you know we

1349
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don't even have the political will to

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deal with global warming and you don't

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have a one political party that insists

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it doesn't exist

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yeah how can you deal with that if you

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won't even acknowledge that it's a

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problem

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well when the sea levels start to rise

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and and land values in Bangladesh and

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Florida start deployment then I think

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01:01:29,290 --> 01:01:26,089
that'll be a wake-up call for a lot of

1360
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people in whole islands disappear as a

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pond right and and the populations of

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those islands head off to New Zealand

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and other settled stable prosperous

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countries how are they going to deal

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with the sudden influx of many thousands

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tens of thousands hundreds of thousands

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for people living on Pacific or Atlantic

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Islands you know this kind of

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precipitating itself a huge crisis is

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going to cause droughts in Africa which

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is already happening massive starvation

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conflict over food and water water get

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really bad yeah and we you know and so

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you know we're entering an incredibly

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perilous time and as a father I have

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three children I you know I worry about

1377
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what kind of world are going to be

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looking at let me ask you a fast

1379
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question here which may be just as

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important and that is with regard to the

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presence of UFOs is you're a possibility

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they're aware which is of course what

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some people believe other things we can

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do to mess ourselves up and they're

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either here is maybe was suggested

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before to take bets or to stop us we

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01:06:07,149 --> 01:06:05,179
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1508
01:07:36,620 --> 01:07:33,660
table do you think if et is here that et

1509
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:36,630
knows that we're at the crossroads we

1510
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:38,490
have to get our acts together or there

1511
01:07:46,670 --> 01:07:41,730
will be no civilization knowing that

1512
01:07:49,370 --> 01:07:46,680
those et care about doing something

1513
01:07:52,730 --> 01:07:49,380
about it just watching disinterestedly

1514
01:07:55,220 --> 01:07:52,740
or putting a stop to it well of course

1515
01:07:58,339 --> 01:07:55,230
we have no idea you know we can only

1516
01:08:01,250 --> 01:07:58,349
speculate and we can be speculating with

1517
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:01,260
very little evidence as far as I can

1518
01:08:05,690 --> 01:08:04,079
tell you know just assuming for the sake

1519
01:08:07,730 --> 01:08:05,700
of discussion that we're dealing with

1520
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:07,740
exit resistors I don't know that for

1521
01:08:12,170 --> 01:08:09,810
certain but let's speculate here we

1522
01:08:15,140 --> 01:08:12,180
don't see anything in their behavior

1523
01:08:17,300 --> 01:08:15,150
that indicates that they have an

1524
01:08:20,059 --> 01:08:17,310
emotional connection with us and are

1525
01:08:22,130 --> 01:08:20,069
concerned about our fate they don't seem

1526
01:08:25,099 --> 01:08:22,140
to be hostile if they could take us over

1527
01:08:26,660 --> 01:08:25,109
probably very easily they wanted to they

1528
01:08:30,289 --> 01:08:26,670
don't seem to care to do that they just

1529
01:08:33,079 --> 01:08:30,299
seem to be watching us and their motives

1530
01:08:35,599 --> 01:08:33,089
remain inscrutable so grandfather Martin

1531
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:35,609
of the Hopi said kind of volunteered one

1532
01:08:40,300 --> 01:08:36,960
day when I was speaking with him about

1533
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:40,310
Hopi prophecy he whipped out this Aztec

1534
01:08:44,979 --> 01:08:43,770
codices which was quite lengthy it's

1535
01:08:47,390 --> 01:08:44,989
about six feet long

1536
01:08:49,820 --> 01:08:47,400
you know reproduced on paper and at the

1537
01:08:51,979 --> 01:08:49,830
very end where he says we are at the end

1538
01:08:54,979 --> 01:08:51,989
of the fourth world here there sergeant

1539
01:08:57,650 --> 01:08:54,989
in arms as banging humanity on the head

1540
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:57,660
from behind with the club and right

1541
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:00,719
above the Conville potential conflict at

1542
01:09:04,610 --> 01:09:01,890
the very end of this whole series of

1543
01:09:06,650 --> 01:09:04,620
glyphs is this little Mexican sombrero

1544
01:09:09,769 --> 01:09:06,660
hanging in the air and I asked him I

1545
01:09:11,059 --> 01:09:09,779
said grandfather what is that you know

1546
01:09:13,249 --> 01:09:11,069
it's one of those things that you know

1547
01:09:15,140 --> 01:09:13,259
those silvery ships that fly around and

1548
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:15,150
I said well what did the Hopi say about

1549
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:17,279
them well what can you tell me about

1550
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:18,690
them why are they here he says oh

1551
01:09:22,820 --> 01:09:20,880
they're just watching and I said well

1552
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:22,830
what are they watching he goes they're

1553
01:09:28,039 --> 01:09:24,810
just watching that's all he was saying

1554
01:09:28,939 --> 01:09:28,049
you know in the integral Native American

1555
01:09:31,220 --> 01:09:28,949
fashion

1556
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:31,230
you know I guess words speak volumes but

1557
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:33,650
I've always kind of had a sense that

1558
01:09:38,689 --> 01:09:37,440
they're there almost i I don't know you

1559
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:38,699
know I'm just kind of ripping here a

1560
01:09:41,849 --> 01:09:40,239
little bit but I

1561
01:09:44,249 --> 01:09:41,859
think that the biodiversity on this

1562
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:44,259
planet would be the attraction to

1563
01:09:49,950 --> 01:09:46,480
anything from out there that humans

1564
01:09:52,140 --> 01:09:49,960
actually are a virus like Agent Smith in

1565
01:09:53,609 --> 01:09:52,150
the matrix as humans are a virus you

1566
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:53,619
know we're the ones that are really

1567
01:09:59,040 --> 01:09:56,050
damaging the ecosystem and you know I

1568
01:10:00,959 --> 01:09:59,050
don't know how many species are I forget

1569
01:10:03,330 --> 01:10:00,969
this figure how many species go extinct

1570
01:10:06,750 --> 01:10:03,340
every day but a large in large part

1571
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:06,760
that's due to say humans and and cattle

1572
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:08,800
for that matter cattle are very

1573
01:10:13,020 --> 01:10:10,449
detrimental to the planet so perhaps

1574
01:10:16,140 --> 01:10:13,030
it's the ecosystem it's the wonderful

1575
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:16,150
biodiversity here on earth that is the

1576
01:10:20,489 --> 01:10:18,489
the main attraction and we're kind of

1577
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:20,499
like in the way yes

1578
01:10:27,629 --> 01:10:24,489
scientists have said that we were living

1579
01:10:30,270 --> 01:10:27,639
at the end of nature they've also said

1580
01:10:34,529 --> 01:10:30,280
that nature always gets the last word

1581
01:10:36,660 --> 01:10:34,539
and if we're a virus and sometimes it

1582
01:10:40,979 --> 01:10:36,670
certainly looks this way

1583
01:10:44,069 --> 01:10:40,989
you know the body cleans of the virus

1584
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:44,079
and if we're going to destroy ourselves

1585
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:46,449
because of our carelessness with the

1586
01:10:50,430 --> 01:10:47,440
natural world

1587
01:10:52,649 --> 01:10:50,440
we are going to pay for that then we

1588
01:10:56,009 --> 01:10:52,659
will disappear and that nature will

1589
01:10:58,319 --> 01:10:56,019
repair itself and maybe the whole the

1590
01:11:02,009 --> 01:10:58,329
whole cycle will repeat itself some kind

1591
01:11:04,319 --> 01:11:02,019
of human life form will evolve again

1592
01:11:08,910 --> 01:11:04,329
many many millions of years down the

1593
01:11:10,410 --> 01:11:08,920
line but it's really terrifying and I up

1594
01:11:13,020 --> 01:11:10,420
until a few years ago it's just

1595
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:13,030
basically philosophically an optimist

1596
01:11:17,370 --> 01:11:15,489
but you look around and there are plenty

1597
01:11:21,419 --> 01:11:17,380
of things to be frightened up and

1598
01:11:24,689 --> 01:11:21,429
worried about and we're just living in a

1599
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:24,699
world that is sorely ailing yeah ten

1600
01:11:31,020 --> 01:11:27,610
years times well it almost starts to

1601
01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:31,030
make you think that there's an end game

1602
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:32,800
here maybe that's why people believe in

1603
01:11:37,319 --> 01:11:35,170
a 2012 it's all going to come to an end

1604
01:11:39,629 --> 01:11:37,329
or come to a head in 2012 you think

1605
01:11:42,629 --> 01:11:39,639
that's part of it and you think a UFO

1606
01:11:46,939 --> 01:11:42,639
presence this gets to be mystical again

1607
01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:46,949
has anything to do with that well I

1608
01:11:53,699 --> 01:11:50,289
don't know of course I mean you know how

1609
01:11:55,919 --> 01:11:53,709
could you say you know I'm skeptical of

1610
01:11:57,689 --> 01:11:55,929
you know mystical thinking in prophecy

1611
01:11:59,850 --> 01:11:57,699
and all sorts of things I don't really

1612
01:12:00,830 --> 01:11:59,860
seem to have worked out very well in the

1613
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:00,840
course of history

1614
01:12:07,140 --> 01:12:05,170
but I do think that that UFOs are here

1615
01:12:11,250 --> 01:12:07,150
they have some purpose which we may not

1616
01:12:13,229 --> 01:12:11,260
know them be it speculate about what and

1617
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:13,239
I also think that the human race is in a

1618
01:12:18,060 --> 01:12:15,010
perilous state now whether all those

1619
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:18,070
things are related who knows well we all

1620
01:12:22,979 --> 01:12:20,050
need Michael Raney to come down in his

1621
01:12:24,779 --> 01:12:22,989
spaceship say I am Klaatu take me to

1622
01:12:30,299 --> 01:12:24,789
your leader or gort's gonna kill

1623
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:30,309
everybody yeah I guess we kind of need

1624
01:12:35,580 --> 01:12:32,530
that Chris we've gotten a number of

1625
01:12:37,229 --> 01:12:35,590
questions from our audience about Jerry

1626
01:12:38,729 --> 01:12:37,239
Clark's appearance this week can you dig

1627
01:12:42,419 --> 01:12:38,739
out a few let's get started on those

1628
01:12:44,669 --> 01:12:42,429
okay I'm actually enjoying this session

1629
01:12:47,339 --> 01:12:44,679
because I'm not I'm able to walk around

1630
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:47,349
and and do some things I'm not stuck at

1631
01:12:53,129 --> 01:12:50,170
my desk on the Skype scenario but I do

1632
01:12:54,719 --> 01:12:53,139
have a question from the forum that I

1633
01:12:57,660 --> 01:12:54,729
will kind of remember from reading them

1634
01:12:59,839 --> 01:12:57,670
and that is the encyclopedia is there

1635
01:13:02,219 --> 01:12:59,849
you know it's been almost 10 years since

1636
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:02,229
it was published I think the last

1637
01:13:07,020 --> 01:13:04,449
edition and are there any plans to

1638
01:13:08,819 --> 01:13:07,030
abridge it or bring it up to date or you

1639
01:13:12,060 --> 01:13:08,829
have any plans in that regards for a new

1640
01:13:14,279 --> 01:13:12,070
new edition of it well um that would be

1641
01:13:16,109 --> 01:13:14,289
of course entirely up to publisher and I

1642
01:13:20,609 --> 01:13:16,119
really don't think it's going to happen

1643
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:20,619
now one concern is that the publisher is

1644
01:13:26,879 --> 01:13:24,010
like virtually all other reference

1645
01:13:29,569 --> 01:13:26,889
publishers has been reduced with shot of

1646
01:13:32,489 --> 01:13:29,579
itself by the internet the internet is

1647
01:13:35,219 --> 01:13:32,499
devastated the reference like Amazon

1648
01:13:37,049 --> 01:13:35,229
life my wife worked in the reference

1649
01:13:39,239 --> 01:13:37,059
book industry in fact she was my insight

1650
01:13:42,629 --> 01:13:39,249
in my editor on the earth one cyclopædia

1651
01:13:46,859 --> 01:13:42,639
that's how we met but she she worked for

1652
01:13:49,739 --> 01:13:46,869
26 years in the industry and she and a

1653
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:49,749
whole bunch of people got downsized so

1654
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:51,760
there really isn't a market for

1655
01:13:56,429 --> 01:13:53,530
reference books where people just go to

1656
01:14:00,299 --> 01:13:56,439
Wikipedia and so no I don't think there

1657
01:14:03,959 --> 01:14:00,309
will my only hope is that somebody will

1658
01:14:06,299 --> 01:14:03,969
publish an unabridged paperback

1659
01:14:07,390 --> 01:14:06,309
affordable version of the second half

1660
01:14:10,330 --> 01:14:07,400
edition of

1661
01:14:13,630 --> 01:14:10,340
developer date it would be available to

1662
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:13,640
people and that's the most that I hope

1663
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:17,570
for there was yeah I was dreaming a

1664
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:21,650
dream onion download like a Kindle or an

1665
01:14:25,530 --> 01:14:24,800
e-version something yeah something like

1666
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:25,540
that

1667
01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:31,850
the other thing of course we can do

1668
01:14:36,010 --> 01:14:32,719
nowadays

1669
01:14:37,780 --> 01:14:36,020
Jerry is you can do print on demand of

1670
01:14:39,490 --> 01:14:37,790
course if you have the rights to do it

1671
01:14:41,580 --> 01:14:39,500
which of course is another question

1672
01:14:44,620 --> 01:14:41,590
entirely that you can do print on demand

1673
01:14:46,570 --> 01:14:44,630
where some of these companies will

1674
01:14:49,209 --> 01:14:46,580
actually fulfill your orders for you you

1675
01:14:51,939 --> 01:14:49,219
take the orders in and they will print

1676
01:14:54,459 --> 01:14:51,949
whatever copies they need and mail them

1677
01:15:04,780 --> 01:14:54,469
to the recipient you get your commission

1678
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:04,790
every month yeah well I think the

1679
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:06,800
standard contract is that they only

1680
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:09,290
rights to it until two years after it's

1681
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:10,880
out of print and it reverts back to you

1682
01:15:16,380 --> 01:15:13,489
I check your flying Brent on that yeah

1683
01:15:19,870 --> 01:15:16,390
it's still in print oh well that's good

1684
01:15:22,330 --> 01:15:19,880
that's very good well that we sometimes

1685
01:15:24,610 --> 01:15:22,340
hear from people who in order to copy

1686
01:15:27,700 --> 01:15:24,620
which is always amazing to me that was

1687
01:15:30,580 --> 01:15:27,710
published in 1998 so they basically have

1688
01:15:32,530 --> 01:15:30,590
a little warehouse or a garage and they

1689
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:32,540
stuck a few copies in there and they're

1690
01:15:36,250 --> 01:15:34,489
still available we have Jerome Clark who

1691
01:15:38,290 --> 01:15:36,260
is visiting the garage now looking for

1692
01:15:43,210 --> 01:15:38,300
copies of the book with Jean and Chris

1693
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[Music]

1800
01:20:11,180 --> 01:20:08,120
we're envisioning now Jerry Clark going

1801
01:20:13,970 --> 01:20:11,190
into his garage several boxes of books

1802
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:13,980
that's what I used to do you know when I

1803
01:20:18,649 --> 01:20:16,050
would write all those computer books I

1804
01:20:21,500 --> 01:20:18,659
wrote about 28 or 30 computer books and

1805
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:21,510
because of the nature of software and

1806
01:20:26,419 --> 01:20:24,000
operating systems and hardware they were

1807
01:20:28,220 --> 01:20:26,429
out of date and like nine months if you

1808
01:20:31,459 --> 01:20:28,230
were lucky if you wrote the book fast

1809
01:20:33,919 --> 01:20:31,469
enough and so I'd get bunches of copies

1810
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:33,929
and it reached a point where the

1811
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:36,000
publisher had none they just dumped them

1812
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:41,520
in the outlet bins the and I had maybe

1813
01:20:46,879 --> 01:20:44,400
20 or 50 copies and I'd sell them off

1814
01:20:48,979 --> 01:20:46,889
you know have a little side business

1815
01:20:50,450 --> 01:20:48,989
going let's go through another question

1816
01:20:55,399 --> 01:20:50,460
well that first question was from

1817
01:20:57,919 --> 01:20:55,409
ufology who's a fairly recent addition

1818
01:20:59,930 --> 01:20:57,929
to the pair Castform family this

1819
01:21:04,370 --> 01:20:59,940
question is from digital trickster who

1820
01:21:06,500 --> 01:21:04,380
is a new pair of cast forum poster and I

1821
01:21:09,890 --> 01:21:06,510
must say digital trickster your avatar

1822
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:09,900
is truly frightening a man is the way he

1823
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:12,449
chose the name digital trickster let me

1824
01:21:17,419 --> 01:21:15,090
just tell you the rest of the story here

1825
01:21:19,129 --> 01:21:17,429
because of you yeah oh boy

1826
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:19,139
I'm not sure if that's a good thing

1827
01:21:23,180 --> 01:21:21,330
looking at this avatar I'll tell you if

1828
01:21:25,729 --> 01:21:23,190
you cross a leprechaun with a rabid

1829
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:25,739
alien having a bad day that's what his

1830
01:21:30,169 --> 01:21:27,449
little avatar image looks like it's

1831
01:21:33,169 --> 01:21:30,179
pretty frightening but his question gene

1832
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:33,179
is forgery is what is your opinion on

1833
01:21:38,660 --> 01:21:37,050
the Phoenix lights incident is question

1834
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:38,670
one and and that's something I'm not

1835
01:21:41,930 --> 01:21:40,530
sure if we've discussed I think it may

1836
01:21:45,229 --> 01:21:41,940
have been mentioned in a prior

1837
01:21:46,970 --> 01:21:45,239
appearance here but have you looked into

1838
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:46,980
that case and have you come to any

1839
01:21:50,810 --> 01:21:49,170
conclusions in your own mind about what

1840
01:21:53,050 --> 01:21:50,820
it could possibly have been obviously

1841
01:21:56,810 --> 01:21:53,060
it's a very complex you know probably

1842
01:21:59,240 --> 01:21:56,820
incident with two distinct aspects to it

1843
01:22:01,459 --> 01:21:59,250
but what is your thinking on that well I

1844
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:01,469
haven't looked into it and I buy pay

1845
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:04,080
this is purely an amateur's opinion you

1846
01:22:07,410 --> 01:22:06,330
know unless it came in a very good book

1847
01:22:10,660 --> 01:22:07,420
on you

1848
01:22:12,190 --> 01:22:10,670
chapter on it and things me she counted

1849
01:22:14,440 --> 01:22:12,200
pretty well that there was an aspect

1850
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:14,450
that was genuinely puzzling and probably

1851
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:17,330
you know exciting you know for Lisbon

1852
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:19,970
there was another part I think that I

1853
01:22:24,610 --> 01:22:22,490
don't really have a strong opinion I

1854
01:22:27,220 --> 01:22:24,620
think my opinion is lovely Kane's

1855
01:22:29,980 --> 01:22:27,230
opinions Lesley Kane in her very good

1856
01:22:31,780 --> 01:22:29,990
book has a chapter on it I think the

1857
01:22:34,330 --> 01:22:31,790
consensus is that some of the sightings

1858
01:22:36,490 --> 01:22:34,340
I believe the ones earlier in the

1859
01:22:39,010 --> 01:22:36,500
evening were of Beautiful's and the

1860
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:39,020
other ones made later may not have been

1861
01:22:44,130 --> 01:22:41,120
but I really you know I haven't really

1862
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:44,140
looked into that you know I you know my

1863
01:22:49,210 --> 01:22:46,370
interest when I was writing the

1864
01:22:52,420 --> 01:22:49,220
encyclopedia it was really on you know

1865
01:22:53,890 --> 01:22:52,430
cases from a long ago like one that sort

1866
01:22:57,820 --> 01:22:53,900
of related to that was the Lubbock

1867
01:22:59,740 --> 01:22:57,830
lights in Texas 1951 which was somewhat

1868
01:23:02,530 --> 01:22:59,750
comparable to the Phoenix light in other

1869
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:02,540
words you know formations of lights in

1870
01:23:09,480 --> 01:23:05,570
the night sky photographs taken widely

1871
01:23:12,130 --> 01:23:09,490
seen and you know just ensuing

1872
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:12,140
complicated controversy about what

1873
01:23:16,540 --> 01:23:15,050
caused these sightings and when I wrote

1874
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:16,550
about the Lubbock lights and there's

1875
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:18,560
quite a long entry in my encyclopedia

1876
01:23:24,580 --> 01:23:21,290
about them I felt sort of like a

1877
01:23:27,730 --> 01:23:24,590
detective going sorting through all the

1878
01:23:30,370 --> 01:23:27,740
clothes all the evidence and going back

1879
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:30,380
and forth and finally deciding yes these

1880
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:34,490
were deed UFOs and but I know more about

1881
01:23:38,890 --> 01:23:36,170
the Lubbock lights let know about the

1882
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:38,900
Phoenix lights I'm afraid félicité so

1883
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:41,090
basically tuned in late to the UFO thing

1884
01:23:45,130 --> 01:23:43,010
I like to always ask our guests when

1885
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:45,140
they refer to a sighting and this is one

1886
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:48,890
that of course we've all read about very

1887
01:23:52,990 --> 01:23:51,290
often the Lubbock lights in a couple of

1888
01:23:58,750 --> 01:23:53,000
minutes or less explain the case to

1889
01:24:01,870 --> 01:23:58,760
people well this occurred basically

1890
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:01,880
involved people began seeing in the

1891
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:06,290
evening the huge light formations flying

1892
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:10,400
silently over the city of Lubbock they

1893
01:24:16,860 --> 01:24:12,970
were seen by a lot of people including

1894
01:24:19,390 --> 01:24:16,870
scientists were among the deciders and

1895
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:19,400
series a very famous photo

1896
01:24:23,620 --> 01:24:22,130
gasps were taken by Carl Hart jr. who at

1897
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:23,630
the time was a college student in

1898
01:24:29,530 --> 01:24:26,810
Lubbock and was re-interviewed many

1899
01:24:33,220 --> 01:24:29,540
years later by Kevin Randall and others

1900
01:24:38,130 --> 01:24:33,230
he stuck by the story's upright man and

1901
01:24:41,140 --> 01:24:38,140
the project grudge and become global get

1902
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:41,150
project grudge sent investigators and

1903
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:43,850
they went all around interviewing people

1904
01:24:53,580 --> 01:24:49,040
and collecting the testimony and then

1905
01:24:55,870 --> 01:24:53,590
the conclusion was that this was indeed

1906
01:24:58,600 --> 01:24:55,880
unexplained that these really attending

1907
01:25:00,550 --> 01:24:58,610
their mysterious well in later years is

1908
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:00,560
Blue Book was trying to clear up

1909
01:25:06,250 --> 01:25:03,440
everything and and explain everything in

1910
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:06,260
sight the story became that they had

1911
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:10,610
seen lights reflecting off moths which I

1912
01:25:19,060 --> 01:25:15,650
don't think persuaded anybody anyway

1913
01:25:20,590 --> 01:25:19,070
that's a great case and in really good

1914
01:25:22,990 --> 01:25:20,600
photographs - one of those who the

1915
01:25:24,940 --> 01:25:23,000
better photograph cases and as you

1916
01:25:27,340 --> 01:25:24,950
mentioned quite a number of witnesses

1917
01:25:31,450 --> 01:25:27,350
came forward to that event it was quite

1918
01:25:34,690 --> 01:25:31,460
widely seen the Lubbock lights were the

1919
01:25:38,500 --> 01:25:34,700
photograph that Carl Hart jr. took is

1920
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:38,510
actually on the cover of a true pals

1921
01:25:44,230 --> 01:25:40,400
book which was the first yellow book

1922
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:44,240
that I read and he has a chapter on the

1923
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:47,690
love of light in his book and and the

1924
01:25:52,410 --> 01:25:49,370
investigation therefore state of

1925
01:25:59,290 --> 01:25:56,230
well mr. digital trickster has a couple

1926
01:26:00,610 --> 01:25:59,300
of other questions the second one is who

1927
01:26:07,650 --> 01:26:00,620
do you consider to be the best

1928
01:26:16,710 --> 01:26:11,470
that's a tough one out I mean there are

1929
01:26:19,090 --> 01:26:16,720
some very good people you know I miss my

1930
01:26:21,870 --> 01:26:19,100
organizational affiliation that's with

1931
01:26:25,180 --> 01:26:21,880
the Center for studies in Chicago

1932
01:26:27,970 --> 01:26:25,190
and I have enormous regard for my

1933
01:26:30,580 --> 01:26:27,980
colleagues in that field including mark

1934
01:26:33,339 --> 01:26:30,590
rowdy girls scientific director of Miss

1935
01:26:35,290 --> 01:26:33,349
aging Eddie Bullard was

1936
01:26:37,359 --> 01:26:35,300
folklorist who wrote a very good book

1937
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:37,369
which the University Press of Kansas

1938
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:40,639
published last year about UFOs and

1939
01:26:47,589 --> 01:26:45,199
folklore and the late Stuart a Powell

1940
01:26:50,859 --> 01:26:47,599
was a board member psychologist who

1941
01:26:52,689 --> 01:26:50,869
studied the abduction phenomenon and

1942
01:26:54,580 --> 01:26:52,699
brought about for the Academic Press

1943
01:26:57,609 --> 01:26:54,590
wrote some of the best writing I've ever

1944
01:27:00,640 --> 01:26:57,619
seen on the subject um you know there's

1945
01:27:04,629 --> 01:27:00,650
chris Rutkowski up in Manitoba is a very

1946
01:27:10,149 --> 01:27:04,639
good hard-working researcher yes Don

1947
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:10,159
ledger in Nova Scotia oh boy

1948
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:13,040
Robert Powell there's some really good

1949
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:14,719
people you know I want to ask you a

1950
01:27:18,939 --> 01:27:16,250
question when you raise that Center for

1951
01:27:21,780 --> 01:27:18,949
UFO studies I don't hear about that much

1952
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:21,790
anymore what are they doing these days

1953
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:27,530
surviving the International UFO a new

1954
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:30,650
issue just come out this week it has a

1955
01:27:37,450 --> 01:27:33,530
piece that I wrote it in remembrance of

1956
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:37,460
Budd Hopkins and in other material do

1957
01:27:42,430 --> 01:27:39,290
you see some of the best research

1958
01:27:44,319 --> 01:27:42,440
published in the International reporter

1959
01:27:47,260 --> 01:27:44,329
or iur as we call it

1960
01:27:49,589 --> 01:27:47,270
you see solid articles historical

1961
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:49,599
articles investigative articles

1962
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:52,449
perspective it's writing there's a real

1963
01:27:58,030 --> 01:27:55,280
good writing and intellectual discipline

1964
01:28:00,490 --> 01:27:58,040
and I you are I think it's the best of

1965
01:28:03,339 --> 01:28:00,500
the surviving UFO magazines of course

1966
01:28:06,069 --> 01:28:03,349
the Internet has changed everything so

1967
01:28:07,899 --> 01:28:06,079
there's a Center for UFO studies website

1968
01:28:10,810 --> 01:28:07,909
of course where you can go and get some

1969
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:10,820
sense of what the center is doing what

1970
01:28:18,189 --> 01:28:14,480
its resources aren't I wrote much of the

1971
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:18,199
UFO encyclopedia out of the center

1972
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:21,440
archives which are voluminous including

1973
01:28:27,250 --> 01:28:25,610
blue book NICAP all kinds of Forgotten

1974
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:27,260
Neil organizations that collect

1975
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:30,290
materials in the fifties sixties Condon

1976
01:28:37,330 --> 01:28:34,880
material enormous resource but you know

1977
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:37,340
it's surviving on a shoestring just like

1978
01:28:46,510 --> 01:28:44,690
all surviving your organization and well

1979
01:28:48,100 --> 01:28:46,520
you know I think we'd like to have

1980
01:28:49,870 --> 01:28:48,110
the Center for UFO studies come in the

1981
01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:49,880
para caste I think we can have a

1982
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:51,440
fascinating discussion with some of

1983
01:28:57,010 --> 01:28:54,890
those people and maybe we could work it

1984
01:28:59,020 --> 01:28:57,020
out with you and the people there to

1985
01:29:00,790 --> 01:28:59,030
expose their work to a wider audience

1986
01:29:02,440 --> 01:29:00,800
because we don't hear from them much

1987
01:29:03,670 --> 01:29:02,450
anymore and that's why I asked you the

1988
01:29:08,230 --> 01:29:03,680
question I said you know what are they

1989
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:08,240
doing well I said mark mark radhika is

1990
01:29:13,060 --> 01:29:09,890
the scientific director that's in

1991
01:29:17,980 --> 01:29:13,070
chicago and you know you'd have to ask

1992
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:17,990
him but you know Mark's very smart guy a

1993
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:24,170
PhD in sociology and this you know dr.

1994
01:29:30,910 --> 01:29:26,930
Hynek and that's how I met him

1995
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sure thing Barca done a good job we have

1996
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Jerome Clarke UFO historian you're

1997
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listening to gene and Chris you're in

1998
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Erica

1999
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2000
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2080
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of recovery what does that mean to you

2081
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2082
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will immediately jump 20% the already

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2088
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invest in the stock market for security

2089
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or save money in the bank you continue

2090
01:33:26,140 --> 01:33:23,900
to see the dollar drop in value while

2091
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your weekly food bills increase so what

2092
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are you gonna do get as much food now as

2093
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you can with these problems you're

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facing a food strike has no choice but

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2099
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2101
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2102
01:34:02,819 --> 01:34:01,120
good word or two about the para cast in

2103
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which I believe is

2104
01:34:11,399 --> 01:34:05,129
gold standard the paranormal radio

2105
01:34:14,219 --> 01:34:11,409
listen to it if you can so we find that

2106
01:34:16,139 --> 01:34:14,229
Chris O'Brien ought to have a lavalier

2107
01:34:17,699 --> 01:34:16,149
microphone when he communicates with

2108
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Skype so you can walk around the room

2109
01:34:22,139 --> 01:34:20,199
he's not stuck in one place maybe you

2110
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get you a kind of a portable Bluetooth

2111
01:34:27,089 --> 01:34:24,939
headset Chris okay there you go okay

2112
01:34:28,679 --> 01:34:27,099
we'll have to look at that have one of

2113
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our members donate one we're talking to

2114
01:34:34,619 --> 01:34:31,510
Jerome Clark UFO historian we're asking

2115
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the questions you asked of Jerry when we

2116
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announced that his appearance would be

2117
01:34:41,250 --> 01:34:39,129
on this week's show let's go back to the

2118
01:34:42,839 --> 01:34:41,260
questions Chris well digital trick

2119
01:34:46,770 --> 01:34:42,849
spearheads one more and this is going to

2120
01:34:48,899 --> 01:34:46,780
be I'm not sure if there's really an

2121
01:34:53,069 --> 01:34:48,909
answer for this but what is your

2122
01:34:59,129 --> 01:34:53,079
favorite case today yeah I like it

2123
01:35:01,199 --> 01:34:59,139
I think the single most evidential case

2124
01:35:02,609 --> 01:35:01,209
and it's really very complicated to

2125
01:35:05,369 --> 01:35:02,619
explain and I'm not sure I haven't

2126
01:35:08,849 --> 01:35:05,379
sorted out of my head but it's a subject

2127
01:35:11,310 --> 01:35:08,859
of a long 40 page entry in the second

2128
01:35:13,529 --> 01:35:11,320
edition of your encyclopedia written by

2129
01:35:17,899 --> 01:35:13,539
Brad sparks is a california-based

2130
01:35:22,169 --> 01:35:17,909
aeronautical engineer with a longtime

2131
01:35:26,029 --> 01:35:22,179
the RV 47 case is an incredible case

2132
01:35:30,719 --> 01:35:26,039
involving a tracking of a UFO over

2133
01:35:36,779 --> 01:35:30,729
several states via different radar sets

2134
01:35:40,020 --> 01:35:36,789
a ground-based radar radar on the RB 47

2135
01:35:43,319 --> 01:35:40,030
itself and a case that lasted over a

2136
01:35:47,419 --> 01:35:43,329
period of you know I miss about me and a

2137
01:35:50,669 --> 01:35:47,429
couple of hours and it's a case that

2138
01:35:53,429 --> 01:35:50,679
that the Condon committee investigated

2139
01:35:57,389 --> 01:35:53,439
James McDonald investigated bad sparks

2140
01:36:01,649 --> 01:35:57,399
investigated and it's been meticulously

2141
01:36:04,489 --> 01:36:01,659
reconstructed it's not only a case that

2142
01:36:09,149 --> 01:36:04,499
is impossible to explain conventionally

2143
01:36:13,250 --> 01:36:09,159
but it is clear and unambiguous evidence

2144
01:36:17,959 --> 01:36:13,260
of the presence of an unearthed of

2145
01:36:25,379 --> 01:36:22,910
that it's an interaction between earth

2146
01:36:27,839 --> 01:36:25,389
American military technology and

2147
01:36:30,750 --> 01:36:27,849
somebody else's technology that does not

2148
01:36:34,350 --> 01:36:30,760
exist on this earth so in other words is

2149
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:34,360
evidence not only of the is compelling

2150
01:36:38,910 --> 01:36:36,610
evidence of the existence of UFOs but

2151
01:36:40,830 --> 01:36:38,920
it's also strongly suggest in the

2152
01:36:41,700 --> 01:36:40,840
presence of an extraterrestrial

2153
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:41,710
technology

2154
01:36:48,330 --> 01:36:45,010
so our documents not only the reality of

2155
01:36:52,279 --> 01:36:48,340
UFOs as technological vehicles but also

2156
01:36:56,459 --> 01:36:52,289
establishes that they're not from here

2157
01:36:58,770 --> 01:36:56,469
and it really undercuts you know people

2158
01:37:02,580 --> 01:36:58,780
who want to explain everything explained

2159
01:37:05,279 --> 01:37:02,590
is the apropos verb here as paranormal

2160
01:37:07,370 --> 01:37:05,289
or supernatural I mean this is a case of

2161
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:07,380
what looks very much like a

2162
01:37:13,830 --> 01:37:11,170
sophisticated technological vehicle from

2163
01:37:17,250 --> 01:37:13,840
another world and it's extraordinary

2164
01:37:19,469 --> 01:37:17,260
case and it is it is the best case it's

2165
01:37:22,410 --> 01:37:19,479
not the strangest case it's not the

2166
01:37:24,540 --> 01:37:22,420
wildest case but it is really a

2167
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:24,550
compelling case and it's one that the

2168
01:37:29,910 --> 01:37:27,010
bunkers stay as far away from us they

2169
01:37:32,549 --> 01:37:29,920
can't still clasp to his credit did try

2170
01:37:35,939 --> 01:37:32,559
to explain it but his explanation didn't

2171
01:37:38,100 --> 01:37:35,949
work for reasons that sparks explains in

2172
01:37:40,469 --> 01:37:38,110
his in his paper published in my

2173
01:37:42,989 --> 01:37:40,479
encyclopedia but yeah that's that's the

2174
01:37:45,930 --> 01:37:42,999
great case and there probably would be

2175
01:37:48,569 --> 01:37:45,940
others out there if the resources and

2176
01:37:51,959 --> 01:37:48,579
the trained investigators were turned on

2177
01:37:55,049 --> 01:37:51,969
but that one the RB 47 case we do have

2178
01:37:57,509 --> 01:37:55,059
now that's one I've got to refill your

2179
01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:57,519
eyes myself with that does sound very

2180
01:38:02,759 --> 01:37:59,920
compelling and well I bet you it really

2181
01:38:06,569 --> 01:38:02,769
put some starch in the shorts of the

2182
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:06,579
Army Air Force at the time and probably

2183
01:38:11,669 --> 01:38:10,090
made quite a few military people sit up

2184
01:38:14,549 --> 01:38:11,679
and take notice I would I would imagine

2185
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:14,559
yeah the initial investigation was by

2186
01:38:20,399 --> 01:38:18,010
Blue Book which conducted a rather

2187
01:38:22,049 --> 01:38:20,409
cursory investigation and I don't even

2188
01:38:24,509 --> 01:38:22,059
remember what kind of explanation they

2189
01:38:27,799 --> 01:38:24,519
pulled out of their nether quarters but

2190
01:38:30,169 --> 01:38:27,809
the condom committee came back at it and

2191
01:38:31,939 --> 01:38:30,179
the common community had a fair

2192
01:38:36,049 --> 01:38:31,949
good investigator on a Gordon David's

2193
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:36,059
there and then McDonald investigated it

2194
01:38:41,989 --> 01:38:38,610
and talked with all the military

2195
01:38:45,709 --> 01:38:41,999
personnel and then finally sparks did

2196
01:38:47,810 --> 01:38:45,719
the not the final investigation but

2197
01:38:49,129 --> 01:38:47,820
during well I'm just kidding he's

2198
01:38:50,989 --> 01:38:49,139
speaking of the Condon report that

2199
01:38:52,939 --> 01:38:50,999
dovetails nicely into our next set of

2200
01:38:57,140 --> 01:38:52,949
questions this one comes from sentry who

2201
01:38:59,839 --> 01:38:57,150
is a fairly recent forum poster signed

2202
01:39:01,429 --> 01:38:59,849
up in March of this year and he asked

2203
01:39:03,620 --> 01:39:01,439
his first question is the Condon report

2204
01:39:06,410 --> 01:39:03,630
claimed quote nothing has come from the

2205
01:39:08,359 --> 01:39:06,420
study of UFOs in the past 21 years that

2206
01:39:11,359 --> 01:39:08,369
has added to scientific knowledge close

2207
01:39:13,850 --> 01:39:11,369
quotes if you disagree with that can you

2208
01:39:17,259 --> 01:39:13,860
cite any examples of advances scientific

2209
01:39:19,189 --> 01:39:17,269
or otherwise related to UFO research

2210
01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:19,199
well that's a good question

2211
01:39:25,009 --> 01:39:21,689
and the Condon committee of course

2212
01:39:29,259 --> 01:39:25,019
notoriously the that particular claim

2213
01:39:31,459 --> 01:39:29,269
which is often quoted is undercut by

2214
01:39:34,580 --> 01:39:31,469
material within the Condon committee

2215
01:39:37,669 --> 01:39:34,590
report itself where you know close to a

2216
01:39:39,770 --> 01:39:37,679
third of the sightings are unexplained

2217
01:39:42,679 --> 01:39:39,780
and even some of the explanations for

2218
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:42,689
the explained ones have been challenged

2219
01:39:49,729 --> 01:39:47,610
now the scientific advancement that UFO

2220
01:39:52,549 --> 01:39:49,739
researchers made it gets back to

2221
01:39:56,330 --> 01:39:52,559
something said earlier we know we don't

2222
01:39:58,969 --> 01:39:56,340
know what these things are you know we

2223
01:40:00,439 --> 01:39:58,979
can speculate reasonably or unreasonably

2224
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:00,449
about what they might be but we don't

2225
01:40:05,929 --> 01:40:03,090
know that so in that sense know we have

2226
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:05,939
an advanced but we have advanced to the

2227
01:40:13,100 --> 01:40:09,360
extent that we pretty much have a pretty

2228
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:13,110
good idea how they behave what they do

2229
01:40:19,069 --> 01:40:16,050
what they don't do and we see for

2230
01:40:22,819 --> 01:40:19,079
example you know the you know the

2231
01:40:27,770 --> 01:40:22,829
consistent failure to land on the White

2232
01:40:31,009 --> 01:40:27,780
House lawn their persistent kind of way

2233
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:31,019
of staying in the background of things

2234
01:40:36,739 --> 01:40:34,170
the way we see for example that close

2235
01:40:41,139 --> 01:40:36,749
encounters are more likely to occur in

2236
01:40:43,689 --> 01:40:41,149
rural locations in late at night

2237
01:40:47,229 --> 01:40:43,699
things like this we detect these kinds

2238
01:40:49,359 --> 01:40:47,239
of patterns associated and you know with

2239
01:40:51,449 --> 01:40:49,369
the evening with close encounters with

2240
01:40:54,879 --> 01:40:51,459
occupants you know we see that

2241
01:40:56,979 --> 01:40:54,889
overwhelming the occupants are human or

2242
01:41:01,270 --> 01:40:56,989
humanoid-looking you know we don't not

2243
01:41:03,189 --> 01:41:01,280
get in reports of elephants ER or giant

2244
01:41:05,259 --> 01:41:03,199
squids coming out of your zone like that

2245
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:05,269
we're seeing this consistent pattern and

2246
01:41:10,149 --> 01:41:09,050
these things these patterns survive over

2247
01:41:12,850 --> 01:41:10,159
time in space

2248
01:41:15,250 --> 01:41:12,860
so simply by you know collecting data

2249
01:41:18,879 --> 01:41:15,260
trying to investigate what reports we

2250
01:41:21,639 --> 01:41:18,889
can you know we get sort of what ballet

2251
01:41:24,429 --> 01:41:21,649
once called the anatomy of the phenomena

2252
01:41:28,029 --> 01:41:24,439
we see what it looks like how it behaves

2253
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:28,039
what it does what it doesn't do and so

2254
01:41:36,399 --> 01:41:31,489
in that sense we have a better grip than

2255
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:36,409
we did in 1947 and over time you know

2256
01:41:41,949 --> 01:41:40,010
our understanding of how it acts is

2257
01:41:44,589 --> 01:41:41,959
something that we have learned so it

2258
01:41:47,069 --> 01:41:44,599
hasn't been entirely futile we're still

2259
01:41:50,859 --> 01:41:47,079
dealing with a phenomenon that is beyond

2260
01:41:53,379 --> 01:41:50,869
human knowledge and it's difficult to

2261
01:41:55,119 --> 01:41:53,389
document in the way we document you know

2262
01:42:00,310 --> 01:41:55,129
other things that were more familiar

2263
01:42:01,689 --> 01:42:00,320
with but we do see what it's like we

2264
01:42:06,129 --> 01:42:01,699
have learned that much and that's a

2265
01:42:08,859 --> 01:42:06,139
first step well that's good and fifty

2266
01:42:11,529 --> 01:42:08,869
plus years at least we can hang our hats

2267
01:42:13,179 --> 01:42:11,539
on that and I do agree that there are

2268
01:42:16,839 --> 01:42:13,189
patterns to be gleaned from a lot of

2269
01:42:19,239 --> 01:42:16,849
these the databases that are out there I

2270
01:42:22,659 --> 01:42:19,249
know I felt that I was able to identify

2271
01:42:25,509 --> 01:42:22,669
a few in my own database so I think it's

2272
01:42:28,449 --> 01:42:25,519
that these into the analysis of these

2273
01:42:31,449 --> 01:42:28,459
events in their totality and how they

2274
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:31,459
dovetail one to the other I think there

2275
01:42:37,419 --> 01:42:34,090
is some something to be gained from that

2276
01:42:40,540 --> 01:42:37,429
well the really crucial point needs to

2277
01:42:43,830 --> 01:42:40,550
be me and that is that scientists voted

2278
01:42:46,689 --> 01:42:43,840
practically no attention no resources no

2279
01:42:50,319 --> 01:42:46,699
funding to the investigation of this

2280
01:42:52,449 --> 01:42:50,329
it's possible that a real science we're

2281
01:42:54,759 --> 01:42:52,459
done on your question we have a lot more

2282
01:42:57,390 --> 01:42:54,769
answers that we have now

2283
01:43:00,009 --> 01:42:57,400
maybe that this thing isn't as

2284
01:43:02,279 --> 01:43:00,019
unexplainable or as inexplicable as it

2285
01:43:06,399 --> 01:43:02,289
appears to be it's just that the science

2286
01:43:08,830 --> 01:43:06,409
hasn't done science and if science were

2287
01:43:10,810 --> 01:43:08,840
done we had learned a lot more properly

2288
01:43:11,229 --> 01:43:10,820
a lot more quickly I've learned a good

2289
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:11,239
point

2290
01:43:17,259 --> 01:43:16,639
third question and this is a good one as

2291
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:17,269
well

2292
01:43:21,609 --> 01:43:19,760
eyewitness testimony is imperfect and

2293
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:21,619
subject to distortion by post-event

2294
01:43:26,649 --> 01:43:24,650
influences in UFO cases what effect does

2295
01:43:28,989 --> 01:43:26,659
the bias of the initial interviewer have

2296
01:43:31,689 --> 01:43:28,999
on how the event is remembered and

2297
01:43:34,209 --> 01:43:31,699
subsequently reported I don't think

2298
01:43:36,729 --> 01:43:34,219
that'd probably be major problems if you

2299
01:43:39,189 --> 01:43:36,739
post reporting you know first of all the

2300
01:43:42,669 --> 01:43:39,199
number of cases that investigators get

2301
01:43:45,850 --> 01:43:42,679
their hand on is pretty small and I have

2302
01:43:49,180 --> 01:43:45,860
examined your testimony in just about

2303
01:43:53,739 --> 01:43:49,190
every form that it can be delivered for

2304
01:43:57,489 --> 01:43:53,749
example through somebody telling me

2305
01:44:00,970 --> 01:43:57,499
something that he saw or experienced or

2306
01:44:05,250 --> 01:44:00,980
reading letters in archives letter sent

2307
01:44:09,609 --> 01:44:05,260
to magazines UFO groups authors people

2308
01:44:11,529 --> 01:44:09,619
telling their you unfiltered just

2309
01:44:14,290 --> 01:44:11,539
sitting down writing a letter this is

2310
01:44:18,220 --> 01:44:14,300
what I saw and then I've seen cases

2311
01:44:20,529 --> 01:44:18,230
where you know you follow just went out

2312
01:44:22,899 --> 01:44:20,539
in the field interviewed somebody tried

2313
01:44:25,330 --> 01:44:22,909
to figure out what the person saw and

2314
01:44:28,270 --> 01:44:25,340
basically you look at all this and it's

2315
01:44:33,450 --> 01:44:28,280
the same thing we have Jerry Clark with

2316
01:44:39,300 --> 01:44:35,720
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01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:39,310
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2337
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2338
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2339
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:21,940
forcing taxes to surface debt this

2340
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:23,650
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2341
01:45:26,460 --> 01:45:24,970
stating a central bank issuing the

2342
01:45:27,480 --> 01:45:26,470
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2343
01:45:28,710 --> 01:45:27,490
the liberties of the people than a

2344
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:28,720
standing army today understand I'm

2345
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:30,010
placing a free silver dollar in a book

2346
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:31,690
that explains our monetary system call

2347
01:45:37,710 --> 01:45:34,930
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2348
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:37,720
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2349
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2350
01:45:47,549 --> 01:45:42,490
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2351
01:45:56,370 --> 01:45:51,520
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2352
01:46:03,129 --> 01:45:56,380
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2353
01:46:05,740 --> 01:46:03,139
here's Jane Steinberg we were tear with

2354
01:46:08,890 --> 01:46:05,750
Jerry Clark final hour of our visit with

2355
01:46:11,799 --> 01:46:08,900
him he's a noted UFO historian who's

2356
01:46:13,959 --> 01:46:11,809
been there from the early days covering

2357
01:46:15,850 --> 01:46:13,969
the field with a tremendous overview

2358
01:46:18,100 --> 01:46:15,860
with gene and Chris now you were

2359
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:18,110
embarked on the answer during our last

2360
01:46:24,780 --> 01:46:19,730
segment you want to pick up further on

2361
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:24,790
it well I think that basically yes

2362
01:46:30,399 --> 01:46:28,250
incompetent interviewers leading

2363
01:46:33,310 --> 01:46:30,409
questions all those things are not good

2364
01:46:35,379 --> 01:46:33,320
and you should not engage in you should

2365
01:46:39,879 --> 01:46:35,389
make an effort not to do that when you

2366
01:46:42,580 --> 01:46:39,889
talk with somebody but basically the

2367
01:46:45,149 --> 01:46:42,590
quantity of testimony about UFO

2368
01:46:48,580 --> 01:46:45,159
sightings by now is so massive and

2369
01:46:51,939 --> 01:46:48,590
delivered in all kinds of forms many of

2370
01:46:55,540 --> 01:46:51,949
them completely unfiltered by and naive

2371
01:46:58,240 --> 01:46:55,550
investigators leading questions that in

2372
01:47:00,280 --> 01:46:58,250
the end it doesn't matter there's a

2373
01:47:02,229 --> 01:47:00,290
phenomenon that no matter how people

2374
01:47:05,430 --> 01:47:02,239
report it ends up pretty much the same

2375
01:47:08,530 --> 01:47:05,440
and also witnesses aren't necessarily

2376
01:47:11,350 --> 01:47:08,540
there you know witnesses are often very

2377
01:47:13,990 --> 01:47:11,360
confident of what they've seen and are

2378
01:47:16,569 --> 01:47:14,000
not interested in your idea about what

2379
01:47:18,970 --> 01:47:16,579
they heard of see and I remember for

2380
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:18,980
example seeing correspondence between

2381
01:47:24,189 --> 01:47:21,290
Donald Menzel and the astronomers

2382
01:47:29,319 --> 01:47:24,199
Seymour Hess who had a UFO sighting in

2383
01:47:34,270 --> 01:47:29,329
about 1950 and mental was trying very

2384
01:47:37,780 --> 01:47:34,280
hard to get dr. Hess to say what mental

2385
01:47:40,270 --> 01:47:37,790
thought he is and test would not back

2386
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:40,280
down mentals letters were full of

2387
01:47:45,100 --> 01:47:42,650
leading questions he's trying to get has

2388
01:47:48,729 --> 01:47:45,110
to say that he had seen something that

2389
01:47:50,919 --> 01:47:48,739
Mendel could explain and Hess was fierce

2390
01:47:54,069 --> 01:47:50,929
about what he had seen it went back down

2391
01:47:57,549 --> 01:47:54,079
and I would now nan most UFO witnesses

2392
01:47:59,350 --> 01:47:57,559
are not astronomers but many of them are

2393
01:48:01,660 --> 01:47:59,360
very strong

2394
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:01,670
we opinionated about what they saw and

2395
01:48:06,370 --> 01:48:03,530
they're not ly fact I would be

2396
01:48:10,180 --> 01:48:06,380
suspicious of a witness it was so weak

2397
01:48:14,500 --> 01:48:10,190
willed that I could shape his testimony

2398
01:48:17,260 --> 01:48:14,510
just about questions you know I mean

2399
01:48:19,510 --> 01:48:17,270
it's an occasional but it's very much

2400
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:19,520
I've never encountered it myself in the

2401
01:48:23,590 --> 01:48:21,290
field you know like you say I mean

2402
01:48:26,710 --> 01:48:23,600
normally these events are are very

2403
01:48:29,110 --> 01:48:26,720
memorable and and they do tend to stick

2404
01:48:31,180 --> 01:48:29,120
in people's minds you'll get some sort

2405
01:48:34,300 --> 01:48:31,190
of personal bias I think in some

2406
01:48:35,740 --> 01:48:34,310
confusion about duration sequence of

2407
01:48:37,980 --> 01:48:35,750
events and that sort of thing but the

2408
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:37,990
general you know especially in multiple

2409
01:48:45,490 --> 01:48:41,090
witness sightings you can see a threat

2410
01:48:48,970 --> 01:48:45,500
of you know the general details of the

2411
01:48:50,860 --> 01:48:48,980
experience general descriptions tend to

2412
01:48:53,860 --> 01:48:50,870
all be very very similar if not exact

2413
01:48:55,630 --> 01:48:53,870
it's just the details of sequence of

2414
01:48:58,540 --> 01:48:55,640
events and sometimes time duration that

2415
01:49:01,360 --> 01:48:58,550
tends to get skewed I think but I do

2416
01:49:03,640 --> 01:49:01,370
agree with you on that there's a couple

2417
01:49:06,090 --> 01:49:03,650
of interesting questions from a fairly

2418
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:06,100
long time poster on the forum Blowfish

2419
01:49:11,740 --> 01:49:08,330
who's been posting on the forum since

2420
01:49:15,730 --> 01:49:11,750
January 2010 and his first question is

2421
01:49:18,490 --> 01:49:15,740
have you read mrs. Georgina Bruni's book

2422
01:49:24,340 --> 01:49:18,500
you can't tell the people I I have a

2423
01:49:27,190 --> 01:49:24,350
person like oh no and have you ever

2424
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:27,200
experienced any as he puts it strange

2425
01:49:35,380 --> 01:49:32,050
awareness / UFO sightings yourself don't

2426
01:49:38,350 --> 01:49:35,390
you know strange experiences as

2427
01:49:40,150 --> 01:49:38,360
everybody does and the most the most

2428
01:49:41,620 --> 01:49:40,160
dramatic of them which I think I

2429
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:41,630
probably described on the show before

2430
01:49:49,630 --> 01:49:45,170
was this was summer eleven years ago

2431
01:49:52,150 --> 01:49:49,640
seeing on three occasions but I call a

2432
01:49:56,980 --> 01:49:52,160
phantom quadruped it in my front yard

2433
01:50:00,220 --> 01:49:56,990
last time I saw and you know but I've

2434
01:50:01,540 --> 01:50:00,230
never seen UFO and nor unfortunately do

2435
01:50:04,630 --> 01:50:01,550
I expect you I didn't think about

2436
01:50:07,180 --> 01:50:04,640
anymore people ask well how come you've

2437
01:50:10,060 --> 01:50:07,190
seen so many I say because I look I make

2438
01:50:12,610 --> 01:50:10,070
a point of looking and oftentimes if you

2439
01:50:13,180 --> 01:50:12,620
live in an area where tends to be more

2440
01:50:15,550 --> 01:50:13,190
UFOs

2441
01:50:16,959 --> 01:50:15,560
and perhaps your average area of that

2442
01:50:19,150 --> 01:50:16,969
that would be the rule is ominous just

2443
01:50:22,270 --> 01:50:19,160
constantly keep your eyes open and keep

2444
01:50:26,860 --> 01:50:22,280
scanning the sky here's another question

2445
01:50:28,150 --> 01:50:26,870
that I you did address this I think on a

2446
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:28,160
previous appearance but what are your

2447
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:30,050
thoughts on the Rendlesham forest UFO

2448
01:50:36,820 --> 01:50:34,570
incident and I would add also that the

2449
01:50:38,530 --> 01:50:36,830
the Penniston information about the

2450
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:38,540
binary code and in these new revelations

2451
01:50:45,420 --> 01:50:40,130
that are coming out do you do feel that

2452
01:50:48,100 --> 01:50:45,430
the case still has the you know the

2453
01:50:49,959 --> 01:50:48,110
earmarks of being a classic UFO case or

2454
01:50:53,260 --> 01:50:49,969
do you think these new revelations are

2455
01:50:55,479 --> 01:50:53,270
starting to degrade that some what what

2456
01:50:58,930 --> 01:50:55,489
what is and you know render some case I

2457
01:51:00,850 --> 01:50:58,940
think I think it's just a muddle you

2458
01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:00,860
know I don't know what to think you know

2459
01:51:05,740 --> 01:51:02,690
it just seems to be is there are so many

2460
01:51:10,060 --> 01:51:05,750
different variations of what the story

2461
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:10,070
is that I just don't know I don't really

2462
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:11,930
have an opinion about it it's just

2463
01:51:17,470 --> 01:51:14,690
confusing to me fortunately I don't have

2464
01:51:20,290 --> 01:51:17,480
to have an opinion about it I just think

2465
01:51:23,380 --> 01:51:20,300
I I don't understand this what's this

2466
01:51:26,890 --> 01:51:23,390
about it's it's clearly because it's a

2467
01:51:29,110 --> 01:51:26,900
model it can't be used as a great UFO

2468
01:51:33,130 --> 01:51:29,120
case even if it maybe it is underneath

2469
01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:33,140
all that model but unless you know we

2470
01:51:37,060 --> 01:51:35,360
sort out whatever is lies underneath

2471
01:51:39,850 --> 01:51:37,070
that model it's just hopeless

2472
01:51:41,830 --> 01:51:39,860
well here's probably one of the toughest

2473
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:41,840
questions you've probably ever been

2474
01:51:49,030 --> 01:51:47,690
asked on show like this is gonna be the

2475
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:49,040
zinger that Chris and I have been

2476
01:51:54,610 --> 01:51:52,090
preparing for for lo these many years I

2477
01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:54,620
don't know for someone like your own

2478
01:51:58,660 --> 01:51:56,570
Clark to answer you know the question

2479
01:52:00,550 --> 01:51:58,670
what what is what are your top 10 UFO

2480
01:52:02,290 --> 01:52:00,560
cases I would think that that would be

2481
01:52:04,810 --> 01:52:02,300
that would be really difficult to

2482
01:52:07,420 --> 01:52:04,820
distill down but perhaps you do have a

2483
01:52:09,939 --> 01:52:07,430
top 10 list and perhaps whooping it or

2484
01:52:12,610 --> 01:52:09,949
no I I don't have a top 10 list but I

2485
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:12,620
but I do have a top 1 list - that's our

2486
01:52:20,590 --> 01:52:15,770
b-47 case so Roswell isn't up there and

2487
01:52:22,959 --> 01:52:20,600
you're think that Roswell is in many

2488
01:52:24,729 --> 01:52:22,969
ways you know a mystery but I don't

2489
01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:24,739
think it's a good UFO case I mean

2490
01:52:27,819 --> 01:52:26,090
just too many problems with it doesn't

2491
01:52:29,709 --> 01:52:27,829
mean that maybe something really

2492
01:52:32,169 --> 01:52:29,719
interesting did happen and maybe it was

2493
01:52:34,450 --> 01:52:32,179
related UFOs it's just that there are so

2494
01:52:36,609 --> 01:52:34,460
many problems with it that it's just

2495
01:52:38,739 --> 01:52:36,619
it's not a good UFO case it's an

2496
01:52:41,109 --> 01:52:38,749
interesting story it's still a mystery

2497
01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:41,119
and I may be related then they in the

2498
01:52:44,919 --> 01:52:43,610
end or not be afforded correct but that

2499
01:52:47,500 --> 01:52:44,929
hasn't been proved

2500
01:52:48,549 --> 01:52:47,510
we just don't know and when you talk

2501
01:52:50,500 --> 01:52:48,559
about UFOs

2502
01:52:51,819 --> 01:52:50,510
you really shouldn't talk about Roswell

2503
01:52:53,140 --> 01:52:51,829
at least you're trying to persuade

2504
01:52:55,109 --> 01:52:53,150
somebody on evidence because the

2505
01:52:58,299 --> 01:52:55,119
evidence in Roswell is so mixed and

2506
01:53:00,310 --> 01:52:58,309
complicated named ambiguous do you think

2507
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:00,320
possibly here before we go on to the

2508
01:53:04,270 --> 01:53:01,610
next question do you think Jerry

2509
01:53:07,149 --> 01:53:04,280
possibly that Roswell has been a red

2510
01:53:09,069 --> 01:53:07,159
herring all along maybe was a secret

2511
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:09,079
aircraft or something or it was a

2512
01:53:14,770 --> 01:53:12,530
balloon and that the memories 20 30 40

2513
01:53:17,470 --> 01:53:14,780
years later just completely clouded that

2514
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:17,480
entire fair that I don't think it's

2515
01:53:21,279 --> 01:53:19,010
impossible I don't think it's

2516
01:53:24,549 --> 01:53:21,289
necessarily true but we just don't know

2517
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:24,559
I think that you know we're not going to

2518
01:53:32,140 --> 01:53:28,570
know until we get our hands actual

2519
01:53:36,489 --> 01:53:32,150
documents of unquestioned promise the

2520
01:53:38,859 --> 01:53:36,499
answers are somewhere on paper in some

2521
01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:38,869
government Bureau that's what the

2522
01:53:44,379 --> 01:53:41,449
answers are it's not unsolvable but

2523
01:53:46,569 --> 01:53:44,389
until we get those papers we're not

2524
01:53:50,049 --> 01:53:46,579
going to know it and as you say there's

2525
01:53:51,970 --> 01:53:50,059
problems with the testimony and you know

2526
01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:51,980
not certain problems we don't know that

2527
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:55,280
that people's memories are muddled we

2528
01:53:59,439 --> 01:53:56,570
don't know that but it's certainly

2529
01:54:01,330 --> 01:53:59,449
possible and until we find those papers

2530
01:54:03,250 --> 01:54:01,340
we're not going to do well that almost

2531
01:54:05,290 --> 01:54:03,260
gets back to the original question about

2532
01:54:07,209 --> 01:54:05,300
what does the government know when did

2533
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:07,219
they know it so you assume the

2534
01:54:10,509 --> 01:54:09,050
government has a lot more information or

2535
01:54:13,390 --> 01:54:10,519
somewhat more information about UFOs

2536
01:54:15,100 --> 01:54:13,400
that they have yet to disclose well they

2537
01:54:17,439 --> 01:54:15,110
certainly have papers on the Roswell and

2538
01:54:19,540 --> 01:54:17,449
so whatever the Roselyn is about the

2539
01:54:21,489 --> 01:54:19,550
answers are there they're on paper

2540
01:54:24,220 --> 01:54:21,499
somewhere they're just not accessible to

2541
01:54:25,569 --> 01:54:24,230
lists now I don't know what the US

2542
01:54:28,299 --> 01:54:25,579
government knows or doesn't know about

2543
01:54:30,750 --> 01:54:28,309
UFOs I don't I have no idea I do know

2544
01:54:33,580 --> 01:54:30,760
that the US government has acted and

2545
01:54:38,350 --> 01:54:33,590
everything that it is done in terms of

2546
01:54:41,170 --> 01:54:38,360
Fino strategic policy since 1940

2547
01:54:45,130 --> 01:54:41,180
is consistent with the hypothesis that

2548
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:45,140
the Air Force is not covering up a huge

2549
01:54:51,340 --> 01:54:48,890
secret that would change history the Air

2550
01:54:53,710 --> 01:54:51,350
Force and the US government have acted

2551
01:54:56,950 --> 01:54:53,720
since 1947 to see if UFOs don't exist

2552
01:54:58,690 --> 01:54:56,960
and there is nothing discernible in any

2553
01:55:01,660 --> 01:54:58,700
of the history of the Cold War and

2554
01:55:02,950 --> 01:55:01,670
beyond that suggests otherwise now that

2555
01:55:05,950 --> 01:55:02,960
doesn't mean there couldn't be some

2556
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:05,960
really interesting cases secrets that

2557
01:55:10,570 --> 01:55:07,970
are buried but they're certainly not

2558
01:55:12,970 --> 01:55:10,580
affecting policy it's hard to believe

2559
01:55:15,220 --> 01:55:12,980
that if they knew for sure that exit

2560
01:55:18,160 --> 01:55:15,230
presses are coming to earth that this

2561
01:55:20,500 --> 01:55:18,170
would not affect policy on all kinds of

2562
01:55:22,210 --> 01:55:20,510
levels that would be visible to the rest

2563
01:55:26,140 --> 01:55:22,220
of us even if we didn't know why

2564
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:26,150
policies particular policies well

2565
01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:27,410
certainly if we had evidence of

2566
01:55:31,930 --> 01:55:29,330
extraterrestrial technology would see

2567
01:55:33,970 --> 01:55:31,940
evidence of that in our developments and

2568
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:33,980
we haven't seen that despite some of the

2569
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allegations otherwise we have Jerry

2570
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Clark you're listening to gene and Kris

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already placed the order with another

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Clark we don't guarantee his responses

2673
02:00:28,470 --> 02:00:25,570
but let me just amplify on that of

2674
02:00:30,379 --> 02:00:28,480
course if we had actually recovered a

2675
02:00:32,430 --> 02:00:30,389
UFO and that takes us back to Roswell

2676
02:00:35,700 --> 02:00:32,440
don't you think one of the biggest

2677
02:00:38,069 --> 02:00:35,710
indictments against that is the fact

2678
02:00:40,950 --> 02:00:38,079
that we've seen not even a snippet of

2679
02:00:42,629 --> 02:00:40,960
evidence of technology that maybe he

2680
02:00:47,660 --> 02:00:42,639
came from something that we couldn't

2681
02:00:50,879 --> 02:00:47,670
invent ourselves Steve Jobs was not et I

2682
02:00:54,479 --> 02:00:50,889
said the same thing no so the whole

2683
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course of scenario with saltine private

2684
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industry with exotic aliens arrived

2685
02:01:04,379 --> 02:01:00,460
technology is doesn't hold much water in

2686
02:01:06,689 --> 02:01:04,389
your view well that book is a hoax but I

2687
02:01:09,930 --> 02:01:06,699
want to also add that I have a lot of

2688
02:01:12,419 --> 02:01:09,940
respect for investigators like Kevin

2689
02:01:14,160 --> 02:01:12,429
Randall and Donna Schmidt and Tom Carrie

2690
02:01:16,410 --> 02:01:14,170
these guys have really done a good job

2691
02:01:19,439 --> 02:01:16,420
and I read their stuff and they have

2692
02:01:21,750 --> 02:01:19,449
found stuff that is very difficult to

2693
02:01:24,779 --> 02:01:21,760
explain that is indeed intriguing so the

2694
02:01:26,549 --> 02:01:24,789
question is open but I don't think that

2695
02:01:29,279 --> 02:01:26,559
we've established anything it's just

2696
02:01:32,549 --> 02:01:29,289
that there is a historical mystery that

2697
02:01:35,939 --> 02:01:32,559
begins in Roswell in early July in 1947

2698
02:01:36,750 --> 02:01:35,949
and he claims beyond that are have all

2699
02:01:39,509 --> 02:01:36,760
kinds of problems

2700
02:01:41,069 --> 02:01:39,519
positive claims negative claims we just

2701
02:01:43,339 --> 02:01:41,079
don't know and we're going to have to be

2702
02:01:46,649 --> 02:01:43,349
satisfied with that until those

2703
02:01:49,439 --> 02:01:46,659
government papers are available to us

2704
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:49,449
and we won't go the anti Jacobson

2705
02:01:54,839 --> 02:01:52,570
assertion that did Joseph Stalin along

2706
02:01:57,359 --> 02:01:54,849
with the help of Joseph Mengele trained

2707
02:01:59,540 --> 02:01:57,369
a malformed kids to fly saucers and one

2708
02:02:02,399 --> 02:01:59,550
of them crashed it worked

2709
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:02,409
you know that sounds like the plot of a

2710
02:02:13,290 --> 02:02:09,810
iced up a pretty pouring book about area

2711
02:02:13,919 --> 02:02:13,300
51 I don't know I was kind of like the

2712
02:02:16,020 --> 02:02:13,929
Nick Redfern

2713
02:02:18,810 --> 02:02:16,030
idea that they were Japanese prisoners

2714
02:02:20,850 --> 02:02:18,820
of war and in Body Snatchers in the

2715
02:02:24,450 --> 02:02:20,860
desert I like when people get creative

2716
02:02:25,500 --> 02:02:24,460
with a dead horse like Roswell and start

2717
02:02:27,450 --> 02:02:25,510
looking at it from new and different

2718
02:02:29,670 --> 02:02:27,460
angles it leads it you know gives you

2719
02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:29,680
something new to think about you know

2720
02:02:34,740 --> 02:02:32,650
at least laugh at he just you know he he

2721
02:02:38,160 --> 02:02:34,750
had like everybody else some anonymous

2722
02:02:40,920 --> 02:02:38,170
you know unknown reliability unknown

2723
02:02:42,810 --> 02:02:40,930
motivation it was just you know those

2724
02:02:46,250 --> 02:02:42,820
things are really better dealt with in

2725
02:02:49,320 --> 02:02:46,260
novels and allegedly non-fiction books

2726
02:02:51,840 --> 02:02:49,330
right well we had John Alexander and

2727
02:02:53,310 --> 02:02:51,850
Stanton Friedman debating UFO secrecy on

2728
02:02:56,910 --> 02:02:53,320
the para cast here a couple of weeks

2729
02:02:59,790 --> 02:02:56,920
back and let's say it was be quite a

2730
02:03:02,490 --> 02:02:59,800
civil um in very cordial conversation

2731
02:03:05,070 --> 02:03:02,500
and I think the two men found they had

2732
02:03:06,570 --> 02:03:05,080
more their thinking was they had more in

2733
02:03:09,330 --> 02:03:06,580
common than they would have probably

2734
02:03:12,570 --> 02:03:09,340
thought going in but the whole idea of

2735
02:03:14,670 --> 02:03:12,580
UFO secrecy now you know we're dealing

2736
02:03:18,030 --> 02:03:14,680
with something as you describe the

2737
02:03:20,640 --> 02:03:18,040
apparent government position on on the

2738
02:03:22,230 --> 02:03:20,650
UFO question but then you hinted around

2739
02:03:24,270 --> 02:03:22,240
that there probably is quite a

2740
02:03:26,160 --> 02:03:24,280
substantial body of evidence of course

2741
02:03:28,140 --> 02:03:26,170
there's gun camera footages or you know

2742
02:03:30,390 --> 02:03:28,150
the Gordon Cooper alleged footage

2743
02:03:33,740 --> 02:03:30,400
there's some pretty compelling evidence

2744
02:03:35,550 --> 02:03:33,750
that they do have some sort of

2745
02:03:37,110 --> 02:03:35,560
information that they're not releasing

2746
02:03:38,820 --> 02:03:37,120
but how do you think that that is

2747
02:03:40,710 --> 02:03:38,830
organized so do you think it's a

2748
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:40,720
multi-departmental thing do you think

2749
02:03:45,120 --> 02:03:43,090
there's a UFO death somewhere do you

2750
02:03:47,670 --> 02:03:45,130
think this has all been farmed out to to

2751
02:03:49,500 --> 02:03:47,680
the military-industrial complex as I've

2752
02:03:52,620 --> 02:03:49,510
never put it do you think the military

2753
02:03:54,510 --> 02:03:52,630
has co-opted all this information I mean

2754
02:03:56,940 --> 02:03:54,520
what is your sense there's a longtime

2755
02:03:59,610 --> 02:03:56,950
researcher in this field about the whole

2756
02:04:01,590 --> 02:03:59,620
question of UFO secrecy of course you

2757
02:04:04,500 --> 02:04:01,600
know John Alexander's claims that they

2758
02:04:07,020 --> 02:04:04,510
don't there is no no holder of the

2759
02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:07,030
secrets in government well what is your

2760
02:04:10,860 --> 02:04:09,010
opinion well I have a lot of respect for

2761
02:04:12,690 --> 02:04:10,870
John Alexander as to say John's an

2762
02:04:14,370 --> 02:04:12,700
interesting guy has a lot of interesting

2763
02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:14,380
experience personal and professional

2764
02:04:19,100 --> 02:04:17,650
exposures to draw from so I listen very

2765
02:04:22,260 --> 02:04:19,110
carefully

2766
02:04:27,780 --> 02:04:22,270
I suspect that there's probably some

2767
02:04:30,180 --> 02:04:27,790
small off-the-books group with guys with

2768
02:04:34,170 --> 02:04:30,190
a very high security clearances who

2769
02:04:36,020 --> 02:04:34,180
monitor the situation and the secrets

2770
02:04:38,280 --> 02:04:36,030
are kept within that tiny little

2771
02:04:40,980 --> 02:04:38,290
off-the-books group it kind of like a

2772
02:04:42,959 --> 02:04:40,990
working group and that when work has to

2773
02:04:46,050 --> 02:04:42,969
be done on one particular question

2774
02:04:49,260 --> 02:04:46,060
there's farmed out not as necessarily is

2775
02:04:51,090 --> 02:04:49,270
here we want you to look at this item of

2776
02:04:54,270 --> 02:04:51,100
UFO evidence or this interesting

2777
02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:54,280
exciting or this film or whatever but I

2778
02:04:57,780 --> 02:04:55,930
think they're very careful about how

2779
02:05:02,100 --> 02:04:57,790
this material is dealt with but it's not

2780
02:05:05,160 --> 02:05:02,110
like a huge massive cover-up it's just a

2781
02:05:07,670 --> 02:05:05,170
few guys a small group with probably

2782
02:05:10,080 --> 02:05:07,680
with some assistance from you know

2783
02:05:13,709 --> 02:05:10,090
professionals in the particular areas of

2784
02:05:15,360 --> 02:05:13,719
expertise making sure that this doesn't

2785
02:05:18,300 --> 02:05:15,370
get to be a national security problem

2786
02:05:20,220 --> 02:05:18,310
the issue here being Jerry that the

2787
02:05:23,250 --> 02:05:20,230
government doesn't really pay attention

2788
02:05:25,890 --> 02:05:23,260
or consider whether it's ET it's whether

2789
02:05:27,689 --> 02:05:25,900
we face a security issue and if that's

2790
02:05:29,550 --> 02:05:27,699
not the case we don't worry about it

2791
02:05:31,170 --> 02:05:29,560
when you have to worry about the extent

2792
02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:31,180
that it could be a potential national

2793
02:05:35,220 --> 02:05:33,850
security issues but if it isn't and it

2794
02:05:38,280 --> 02:05:35,230
certainly doesn't seem to have been

2795
02:05:40,620 --> 02:05:38,290
since 1947 after all I haven't invaded

2796
02:05:42,720 --> 02:05:40,630
and taken us over you know they can

2797
02:05:45,030 --> 02:05:42,730
continue to live with it unless of

2798
02:05:47,550 --> 02:05:45,040
course they invaded the fed they invade

2799
02:05:49,830 --> 02:05:47,560
the fed and Ben Bernanke is really one

2800
02:05:52,920 --> 02:05:49,840
of them yeah remember the Weekly World

2801
02:05:55,250 --> 02:05:52,930
News years ago had a big story about

2802
02:05:59,550 --> 02:05:55,260
which US Centers were actually aliens

2803
02:06:01,709 --> 02:05:59,560
yeah there's all kinds of jokes a few

2804
02:06:05,939 --> 02:06:01,719
who strike me as being alien and for

2805
02:06:16,680 --> 02:06:05,949
different reasons but I don't I don't

2806
02:06:18,870 --> 02:06:16,690
believe in why does someone like Stanton

2807
02:06:20,910 --> 02:06:18,880
Friedman who has done such great work in

2808
02:06:24,990 --> 02:06:20,920
the UFO field why is he still wrapped up

2809
02:06:27,450 --> 02:06:25,000
in mj-12 oh you have to be well I don't

2810
02:06:29,310 --> 02:06:27,460
you know I've known Stan for a long time

2811
02:06:32,070 --> 02:06:29,320
and I don't want to beat his mind but I

2812
02:06:34,590 --> 02:06:32,080
I think that you know he's this is the

2813
02:06:38,340 --> 02:06:34,600
wrong tree he's chosen to bark up and

2814
02:06:40,439 --> 02:06:38,350
apparently keep barking so his life his

2815
02:06:42,360 --> 02:06:40,449
career but I don't buy it

2816
02:06:44,130 --> 02:06:42,370
you know once you've taken the plunge

2817
02:06:46,110 --> 02:06:44,140
it's kind of hard to get out of the pool

2818
02:06:48,360 --> 02:06:46,120
and dry off without anybody to notice me

2819
02:06:50,610 --> 02:06:48,370
you think that's a lot unfair that just

2820
02:06:53,459 --> 02:06:50,620
Stan is not going to up and it make you

2821
02:06:56,040 --> 02:06:53,469
know guys I made a mistake here he's

2822
02:06:58,200 --> 02:06:56,050
gonna stick to it to the end of his days

2823
02:06:59,940 --> 02:06:58,210
well I think stands a lot like Phil

2824
02:07:02,130 --> 02:06:59,950
class I think that they had much the

2825
02:07:04,260 --> 02:07:02,140
same kind of personality they were just

2826
02:07:07,200 --> 02:07:04,270
on opposite sides of the question I

2827
02:07:09,420 --> 02:07:07,210
think Stan is a stubborn guy who

2828
02:07:12,570 --> 02:07:09,430
believes very strongly that he's right

2829
02:07:15,750 --> 02:07:12,580
and it's not suicide the guy who brought

2830
02:07:17,850 --> 02:07:15,760
it back down and I just don't see the

2831
02:07:20,340 --> 02:07:17,860
evidence for mj-12 and he was kind

2832
02:07:23,850 --> 02:07:20,350
enough to send me both editions of his

2833
02:07:25,890 --> 02:07:23,860
book on entry in each case I sat down

2834
02:07:29,070 --> 02:07:25,900
and I said I'm going to read this with a

2835
02:07:31,710 --> 02:07:29,080
completely open mind and I'm gonna try

2836
02:07:35,430 --> 02:07:31,720
to see if sand can convince me I'll just

2837
02:07:37,800 --> 02:07:35,440
keep my mind blank just all of the

2838
02:07:40,890 --> 02:07:37,810
evidence still wasn't convinced

2839
02:07:43,400 --> 02:07:40,900
not even remotely I don't think many

2840
02:07:47,610 --> 02:07:43,410
people in this field believe in mj-12

2841
02:07:51,150 --> 02:07:47,620
okay Stan is really the whole dog but I

2842
02:07:55,040 --> 02:07:51,160
say it's you know well you know it's

2843
02:07:58,800 --> 02:07:55,050
funny we look at the person who got this

2844
02:08:00,870 --> 02:07:58,810
film of the mj-12 documents Jamie Shonda

2845
02:08:03,630 --> 02:08:00,880
ray and if you look him up at the

2846
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supposedly of what a video producer or

2847
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something and I don't know what his

2848
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credentials are because if you look in

2849
02:08:12,420 --> 02:08:09,790
professional credentials like the

2850
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Internet Movie Database he's not there

2851
02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:15,160
except maybe as a video editor in one

2852
02:08:20,150 --> 02:08:18,010
film in the 70s if it's the same guy why

2853
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would he attract this kind of

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02:12:02,950 --> 02:12:00,710
like deer in the headlights of an

2937
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oncoming car waiting for others to help

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1 out of 10 will actually panic and

2939
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endanger family and friends as they melt

2940
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down under pressure and only one out of

2941
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10 will take swift and decisive action

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2955
02:12:54,760 --> 02:12:43,550
is nuclear physicist or actor Stanton

2956
02:12:56,830 --> 02:12:54,770
Friedman you are listening to back with

2957
02:12:58,900 --> 02:12:56,840
jerome clark with gene and christen the

2958
02:13:00,400 --> 02:12:58,910
power cast Jerry before we go on with

2959
02:13:04,840 --> 02:13:00,410
any more questions do you have any

2960
02:13:06,160 --> 02:13:04,850
comments about that well you know

2961
02:13:08,260 --> 02:13:06,170
actually that you raise a very

2962
02:13:12,360 --> 02:13:08,270
interesting question and I don't know

2963
02:13:16,270 --> 02:13:12,370
the whole genesis of the mj-12 documents

2964
02:13:18,700 --> 02:13:16,280
and so on is just I mean I don't want to

2965
02:13:20,350 --> 02:13:18,710
make about a big sinister conspiracy out

2966
02:13:22,300 --> 02:13:20,360
of it but there's some there are some

2967
02:13:30,550 --> 02:13:22,310
unanswered questions and one of them is

2968
02:13:32,830 --> 02:13:30,560
you know what I yeah the issue is here

2969
02:13:35,110 --> 02:13:32,840
is he seems to be an invisible entity it

2970
02:13:38,230 --> 02:13:35,120
mean you would stand to somebody who

2971
02:13:40,330 --> 02:13:38,240
basically shoots wedding videos what

2972
02:13:42,930 --> 02:13:40,340
does he do if he worked for the motion

2973
02:13:45,580 --> 02:13:42,940
picture television industries the

2974
02:13:48,340 --> 02:13:45,590
Internet Movie Database

2975
02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:48,350
I am DB they've got an iPhone app and

2976
02:13:53,110 --> 02:13:49,850
probably an Android app you can look up

2977
02:13:55,330 --> 02:13:53,120
things about the crew of movies and TV

2978
02:13:57,310 --> 02:13:55,340
shows learn about their life histories

2979
02:14:00,070 --> 02:13:57,320
and everything else so that's the

2980
02:14:02,240 --> 02:14:00,080
question here you know why would you

2981
02:14:04,100 --> 02:14:02,250
pick him I might as well die

2982
02:14:07,010 --> 02:14:04,110
I had more presence in the UFO field

2983
02:14:08,750 --> 02:14:07,020
than he did I don't understand what was

2984
02:14:11,270 --> 02:14:08,760
going on I also don't understand a lot

2985
02:14:14,330 --> 02:14:11,280
of things about Fillmore's behavior I

2986
02:14:16,130 --> 02:14:14,340
think the whole thing just seems odd and

2987
02:14:18,440 --> 02:14:16,140
murky but I think in the end what

2988
02:14:20,390 --> 02:14:18,450
matters is that wherever they came from

2989
02:14:23,180 --> 02:14:20,400
wherever they were generated the mj-12

2990
02:14:28,520 --> 02:14:23,190
documents are bogus that's one thing we

2991
02:14:31,640 --> 02:14:28,530
can be certain I think well I would

2992
02:14:35,870 --> 02:14:31,650
think that back in the late 40s early

2993
02:14:38,030 --> 02:14:35,880
50s before the military and the

2994
02:14:39,800 --> 02:14:38,040
government had determined the national

2995
02:14:42,260 --> 02:14:39,810
security implications of the phenomenons

2996
02:14:46,370 --> 02:14:42,270
I'm pretty sure that they did have some

2997
02:14:48,370 --> 02:14:46,380
sort of mj-12 like group but I don't

2998
02:14:51,250 --> 02:14:48,380
think it probably lasted long and

2999
02:14:54,770 --> 02:14:51,260
Bluebook can grudge and sign probably

3000
02:14:59,150 --> 02:14:54,780
dovetailed out of some sort of initial

3001
02:15:01,640 --> 02:14:59,160
effort by this group but personally I've

3002
02:15:04,190 --> 02:15:01,650
always felt that you know the mj-12

3003
02:15:07,730 --> 02:15:04,200
scenario was downwind of the fish market

3004
02:15:10,640 --> 02:15:07,740
myself but well I only thought that when

3005
02:15:14,540 --> 02:15:10,650
whoever wrote it put Donald Menzel in as

3006
02:15:18,500 --> 02:15:14,550
a member of mj-12 this was like like a

3007
02:15:22,670 --> 02:15:18,510
joke but this this was out like a wink

3008
02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:22,680
to the reader right and that's what I

3009
02:15:28,730 --> 02:15:25,530
mean but yeah I was like this tells us a

3010
02:15:31,250 --> 02:15:28,740
joke but Stan treatment ran with it and

3011
02:15:34,010 --> 02:15:31,260
now he you know he's been convinced for

3012
02:15:37,820 --> 02:15:34,020
some time that that mendel of course it

3013
02:15:39,620 --> 02:15:37,830
was the most influential debunker in the

3014
02:15:42,350 --> 02:15:39,630
history of vehicle controversy was

3015
02:15:45,470 --> 02:15:42,360
actually you know a protector of the

3016
02:15:47,060 --> 02:15:45,480
secrets of you know crash disks an

3017
02:15:52,580 --> 02:15:47,070
extraterrestrial visitation it just

3018
02:15:54,860 --> 02:15:52,590
seems unlikely yeah well how come Stan

3019
02:15:57,260 --> 02:15:54,870
was was hired and paid a substantial sum

3020
02:16:00,380 --> 02:15:57,270
of money to do the actual analysis and

3021
02:16:04,070 --> 02:16:00,390
document research I mean he's not he's a

3022
02:16:05,870 --> 02:16:04,080
nuclear scientist by training wife who

3023
02:16:08,300 --> 02:16:05,880
wasn't hired entirely that this

3024
02:16:10,190 --> 02:16:08,310
interested observer well I wouldn't say

3025
02:16:13,040 --> 02:16:10,200
that but you would think that you could

3026
02:16:16,040 --> 02:16:13,050
you could find a professional document

3027
02:16:17,660 --> 02:16:16,050
off I don't know what they call them

3028
02:16:19,880 --> 02:16:17,670
people that authenticate documents but

3029
02:16:22,580 --> 02:16:19,890
you think that there were other people

3030
02:16:25,160 --> 02:16:22,590
eminently more qualified to do the

3031
02:16:27,230 --> 02:16:25,170
examination of the documents than Sam

3032
02:16:29,540 --> 02:16:27,240
Friedman yeah I don't think standard

3033
02:16:31,640 --> 02:16:29,550
always called period I mean he just

3034
02:16:34,100 --> 02:16:31,650
shouldn't have done it and he should've

3035
02:16:35,510 --> 02:16:34,110
put him suddenly he should have he

3036
02:16:38,570 --> 02:16:35,520
should have just stayed out of it and

3037
02:16:41,300 --> 02:16:38,580
and and maybe you know recommended

3038
02:16:45,320 --> 02:16:41,310
somebody or something but it's just the

3039
02:16:48,020 --> 02:16:45,330
whole thing is this kind of enormous

3040
02:16:50,030 --> 02:16:48,030
waste of time in the end what about Bob

3041
02:16:53,140 --> 02:16:50,040
and Ryan wood and in the way that

3042
02:16:55,400 --> 02:16:53,150
they've taken that mj-12 ball and just

3043
02:16:57,050 --> 02:16:55,410
you know like a like a big happy

3044
02:16:59,210 --> 02:16:57,060
fullback they've been bowing that ball

3045
02:17:02,300 --> 02:16:59,220
down the field for almost ten years now

3046
02:17:04,490 --> 02:17:02,310
and they are absolutely convinced that

3047
02:17:05,960 --> 02:17:04,500
the mj-12 documents the other documents

3048
02:17:07,760 --> 02:17:05,970
that have come out or all legitimate in

3049
02:17:11,030 --> 02:17:07,770
there you know they all should be

3050
02:17:13,250 --> 02:17:11,040
considered as as smoking gun evidence of

3051
02:17:14,990 --> 02:17:13,260
conspiracy and coverup in the rest of it

3052
02:17:21,020 --> 02:17:15,000
what do you think of Bob and Ryan's work

3053
02:17:24,670 --> 02:17:21,030
in this well I actually saw Bob wood and

3054
02:17:27,650 --> 02:17:24,680
Ryan would lecture on their material

3055
02:17:31,910 --> 02:17:27,660
convention of the Society for scientific

3056
02:17:34,580 --> 02:17:31,920
exploration in 2008 and they were really

3057
02:17:39,530 --> 02:17:34,590
excited at the time because they just

3058
02:17:43,160 --> 02:17:39,540
got in a document that linked mj-12 with

3059
02:17:48,280 --> 02:17:43,170
the candy assassination no to me anytime

3060
02:17:51,410 --> 02:17:48,290
you're linking you've got some extremely

3061
02:17:54,980 --> 02:17:51,420
outlandish claim and then you link it

3062
02:17:58,010 --> 02:17:54,990
with everybody's favorite pseudo mystery

3063
02:18:00,380 --> 02:17:58,020
they can be assassinated you just

3064
02:18:02,570 --> 02:18:00,390
completely lost me not that I was on

3065
02:18:05,600 --> 02:18:02,580
board to start with but I just thought

3066
02:18:08,180 --> 02:18:05,610
oh of course we have the Maury island

3067
02:18:09,320 --> 02:18:08,190
case which was a possible hoax and we

3068
02:18:11,870 --> 02:18:09,330
linked that with the Kennedy

3069
02:18:14,990 --> 02:18:11,880
assassination because one of those

3070
02:18:16,520 --> 02:18:15,000
Harbor patrolmen Fred Lee Chrisman was a

3071
02:18:18,920 --> 02:18:16,530
possible figure in the Kennedy

3072
02:18:21,020 --> 02:18:18,930
assassination investigation well he

3073
02:18:23,120 --> 02:18:21,030
wasn't they know that he wasn't anywhere

3074
02:18:24,410 --> 02:18:23,130
near Dallas they know who he was

3075
02:18:26,630 --> 02:18:24,420
supposed to be one of these three holes

3076
02:18:28,700 --> 02:18:26,640
and all the hobos have been identified

3077
02:18:29,330 --> 02:18:28,710
and everybody knows who they were what

3078
02:18:31,310 --> 02:18:29,340
the old life

3079
02:18:33,230 --> 02:18:31,320
stories were knotted up there and

3080
02:18:37,639 --> 02:18:33,240
Chrisman you know was suppose in the

3081
02:18:41,719 --> 02:18:37,649
Pacific Northwest so that's just another

3082
02:18:43,099 --> 02:18:41,729
one idiot red herrings and it's just I

3083
02:18:45,230 --> 02:18:43,109
don't know I I don't really have a lot

3084
02:18:49,820 --> 02:18:45,240
of patience with this stuff except maybe

3085
02:18:51,770 --> 02:18:49,830
a certain kind of clinical interest my

3086
02:18:54,259 --> 02:18:51,780
favorite is Marilyn Monroe was actually

3087
02:18:59,389 --> 02:18:54,269
murdered because she knew about Roswell

3088
02:19:01,669 --> 02:18:59,399
that's that's another way that I like I

3089
02:19:04,490 --> 02:19:01,679
don't know right but I do know Bob Lee

3090
02:19:07,549 --> 02:19:04,500
and you know Bob wood is always so nice

3091
02:19:09,650 --> 02:19:07,559
to me and I have nothing to say against

3092
02:19:12,139 --> 02:19:09,660
Bob what it's just that I don't agree

3093
02:19:14,959 --> 02:19:12,149
with them about this all right well

3094
02:19:19,160 --> 02:19:14,969
that's it for our listener questions I'm

3095
02:19:19,849 --> 02:19:19,170
not sure if if gene has any more I know

3096
02:19:22,520 --> 02:19:19,859
I do

3097
02:19:23,929 --> 02:19:22,530
well I have lots of questions always but

3098
02:19:26,860 --> 02:19:23,939
I'm gonna let you because you've been

3099
02:19:30,589 --> 02:19:26,870
enjoying yourself so much walking around

3100
02:19:33,910 --> 02:19:30,599
your room there asking other people's

3101
02:19:36,520 --> 02:19:33,920
questions won't you ask some of your own

3102
02:19:39,770 --> 02:19:36,530
well one of the things that I've been

3103
02:19:44,089 --> 02:19:39,780
harping on over the past couple of years

3104
02:19:49,099 --> 02:19:44,099
is you know the the very rapidly aging

3105
02:19:50,540 --> 02:19:49,109
of the UFO buff crowd just as you know

3106
02:19:52,130 --> 02:19:50,550
the rank-and-file people out there

3107
02:19:54,860 --> 02:19:52,140
interested in the subject

3108
02:19:57,260 --> 02:19:54,870
you go to your your average UFO

3109
02:19:58,940 --> 02:19:57,270
conference and the the average age is up

3110
02:20:05,450 --> 02:19:58,950
there in the upper sixties early

3111
02:20:09,380 --> 02:20:05,460
seventies now what are the things that

3112
02:20:12,080 --> 02:20:09,390
we need to come up with to get young

3113
02:20:15,260 --> 02:20:12,090
people interested to the extent of

3114
02:20:18,380 --> 02:20:15,270
really devoting quality time and getting

3115
02:20:20,780 --> 02:20:18,390
involved in field investigation getting

3116
02:20:23,420 --> 02:20:20,790
involved in doing quality research like

3117
02:20:26,330 --> 02:20:23,430
you've done in your life what's what is

3118
02:20:30,050 --> 02:20:26,340
it going to take for us to ensure that

3119
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:30,060
we have a new generation of interested

3120
02:20:34,460 --> 02:20:32,010
researchers and investigators coming up

3121
02:20:38,060 --> 02:20:34,470
and moving that ball down the field

3122
02:20:41,219 --> 02:20:38,070
after we're gone well I think the whole

3123
02:20:43,109 --> 02:20:41,229
model policy is changing just as all

3124
02:20:47,149 --> 02:20:43,119
a lot of things is changing because of

3125
02:20:50,910 --> 02:20:47,159
the internet and the model of the old

3126
02:20:52,710 --> 02:20:50,920
UFO organization which publishes you

3127
02:20:55,739 --> 02:20:52,720
know bulletins or a magazine or a

3128
02:20:58,469 --> 02:20:55,749
journal I think it is probably going

3129
02:21:03,149 --> 02:20:58,479
away a lot of other things that were

3130
02:21:05,750 --> 02:21:03,159
central to our lives but we're now going

3131
02:21:09,179 --> 02:21:05,760
to be viewing on screens and elsewhere I

3132
02:21:11,309 --> 02:21:09,189
find that I'm actually rather optimistic

3133
02:21:13,950 --> 02:21:11,319
about the future anomalistic scythe inc

3134
02:21:17,429 --> 02:21:13,960
that there's some very interesting and

3135
02:21:22,380 --> 02:21:17,439
smart younger people already making

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contributions and not necessarily focus

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on quality but on anomalistic generally

3138
02:21:30,510 --> 02:21:27,729
and bringing intellectual discipline

3139
02:21:34,739 --> 02:21:30,520
that I wasn't seeing when I was that

3140
02:21:36,719 --> 02:21:34,749
young and their age and I I you know I'm

3141
02:21:38,370 --> 02:21:36,729
not reasonably optimistic you know these

3142
02:21:40,170 --> 02:21:38,380
questions will remain and there will

3143
02:21:42,599 --> 02:21:40,180
always be a certain number of people

3144
02:21:44,460 --> 02:21:42,609
interested and it will just you know

3145
02:21:47,340 --> 02:21:44,470
sustain itself there's not much that you

3146
02:21:49,229 --> 02:21:47,350
or I can do I mean if I try to when I

3147
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try to make a point when I get a letter

3148
02:21:55,739 --> 02:21:52,210
or an email from a young reader to be

3149
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sure that I answer the question and and

3150
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try to be helpful and try to sustain the

3151
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interest and you know there's nothing we

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can do it's just you know you could just

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on a person-to-person level pay

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attention to young people answer the

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questions okay and if the questions are

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naive that they're starting out like

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everyone all of us started off right we

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were teenagers once a long long time ago

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in a galaxy far far away Jerry Clark

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02:24:52,540 --> 02:24:49,880
your problem solved once and for all

3200
02:24:54,250 --> 02:24:52,550
hi I'm Dan Cola for 30 years I've helped

3201
02:24:55,719 --> 02:24:54,260
thousands of people solve their tax debt

3202
02:24:56,349 --> 02:24:55,729
problem and I can help you solve yours

3203
02:24:58,120 --> 02:24:56,359
too

3204
02:24:59,769 --> 02:24:58,130
we take a very simple but proven

3205
02:25:01,929 --> 02:24:59,779
three-step approach to solving your

3206
02:25:03,460 --> 02:25:01,939
problem first we stabilize IRS

3207
02:25:04,960 --> 02:25:03,470
collection actions so you don't have to

3208
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:04,970
worry about the IRS seizing your bank

3209
02:25:09,010 --> 02:25:07,010
account of paycheck next we build a

3210
02:25:10,620 --> 02:25:09,020
comprehensive plan to get your tax debt

3211
02:25:13,240 --> 02:25:10,630
reduced to the fullest extent possible

3212
02:25:15,460 --> 02:25:13,250
sometimes even completely eliminated and

3213
02:25:17,050 --> 02:25:15,470
finally we work with you every step of

3214
02:25:18,729 --> 02:25:17,060
the way to get your problem solved once

3215
02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:18,739
and for all call us for a free

3216
02:25:24,580 --> 02:25:20,810
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3217
02:25:26,200 --> 02:25:24,590
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3218
02:25:28,570 --> 02:25:26,210
work together to get your problem solved

3219
02:25:30,700 --> 02:25:28,580
guaranteed dan pilla has been protecting

3220
02:25:33,570 --> 02:25:30,710
taxpayers from the IRS for three decades

3221
02:25:37,840 --> 02:25:33,580
and he can help you too call us today at

3222
02:25:41,710 --> 02:25:37,850
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3223
02:25:43,840 --> 02:25:41,720
three four no tax I have bought a few

3224
02:25:46,149 --> 02:25:43,850
bottles of heart and body extract and

3225
02:25:48,010 --> 02:25:46,159
have to say that it certainly does work

3226
02:25:49,840 --> 02:25:48,020
that's what Jack from Michigan had to

3227
02:25:51,609 --> 02:25:49,850
say after his experience with heart pain

3228
02:25:53,740 --> 02:25:51,619
and what he did to treat it with heart

3229
02:25:55,840 --> 02:25:53,750
and body extract I actually had a huge

3230
02:25:58,300 --> 02:25:55,850
heart flier he's also having some edema

3231
02:26:01,030 --> 02:25:58,310
around my ankles and very worrisome clot

3232
02:26:03,700 --> 02:26:01,040
in my right leg that would happen from

3233
02:26:05,800 --> 02:26:03,710
time to time I was trying to sleep heart

3234
02:26:07,450 --> 02:26:05,810
and body extract is all natural with no

3235
02:26:09,370 --> 02:26:07,460
negative side effects it will help

3236
02:26:10,870 --> 02:26:09,380
repair or correct past problems

3237
02:26:13,599 --> 02:26:10,880
associated with the heart and body

3238
02:26:16,479 --> 02:26:13,609
circulation after my second bottle of

3239
02:26:19,689 --> 02:26:16,489
heart and body extract all problems are

3240
02:26:21,939 --> 02:26:19,699
now gone order at HB extract calm or

3241
02:26:24,460 --> 02:26:21,949
call eight six six two nine five five

3242
02:26:26,170 --> 02:26:24,470
three zero five I ordered a third bottle

3243
02:26:28,059 --> 02:26:26,180
of heart and body extract for

3244
02:26:30,519 --> 02:26:28,069
maintenance as I want to keep everything

3245
02:26:33,130 --> 02:26:30,529
working order heart and body extract at

3246
02:26:37,120 --> 02:26:33,140
eight six six two nine five five three

3247
02:26:44,190 --> 02:26:37,130
zero five or HB extract calm heart and

3248
02:26:49,080 --> 02:26:46,740
hello this is for us Mary Ellen Kylie

3249
02:26:56,490 --> 02:26:49,090
and you're listening to the podcast the

3250
02:26:58,740 --> 02:26:56,500
gold standard a paranormal radio if you

3251
02:27:01,110 --> 02:26:58,750
have a comment or a question to send it

3252
02:27:04,200 --> 02:27:01,120
to news at the para cast come

3253
02:27:06,929 --> 02:27:04,210
that's news of the para cast comm we're

3254
02:27:09,900 --> 02:27:06,939
talking to Jerry Clark UFO historian

3255
02:27:11,400 --> 02:27:09,910
author of the UFO encyclopedia with

3256
02:27:13,920 --> 02:27:11,410
Jeanne and Chris and the power cast

3257
02:27:16,320 --> 02:27:13,930
looking at why young people don't seem

3258
02:27:19,830 --> 02:27:16,330
to get involved as much as they should I

3259
02:27:23,429 --> 02:27:19,840
know my son read one UFO book in his

3260
02:27:25,440 --> 02:27:23,439
life by Curt southerly and that was it

3261
02:27:27,210 --> 02:27:25,450
he hasn't pursue the subject any further

3262
02:27:29,190 --> 02:27:27,220
although he writes science fiction with

3263
02:27:32,610 --> 02:27:29,200
me and I guess that's another thing to

3264
02:27:36,510 --> 02:27:32,620
the people involved in heavy-duty

3265
02:27:40,230 --> 02:27:36,520
science fiction have often been as they

3266
02:27:43,110 --> 02:27:40,240
say antagonistic towards people involved

3267
02:27:45,480 --> 02:27:43,120
in UFO research have you seen that well

3268
02:27:49,920 --> 02:27:45,490
I know that you know I'm not a science

3269
02:27:53,280 --> 02:27:49,930
fiction fan but I I do know that the

3270
02:27:56,610 --> 02:27:53,290
writers are more likely to be hostile

3271
02:28:00,420 --> 02:27:56,620
than the rank-and-file and at least

3272
02:28:01,980 --> 02:28:00,430
that's why learn from people I know who

3273
02:28:03,600 --> 02:28:01,990
are involved in the science fiction

3274
02:28:06,810 --> 02:28:03,610
world some of them science fiction

3275
02:28:09,660 --> 02:28:06,820
writers they say that that if anything

3276
02:28:12,270 --> 02:28:09,670
the average science fiction fan is more

3277
02:28:16,260 --> 02:28:12,280
curious about the subject that most

3278
02:28:17,910 --> 02:28:16,270
people but you know I you know it

3279
02:28:20,160 --> 02:28:17,920
doesn't really matter either you're

3280
02:28:21,660 --> 02:28:20,170
interested in this or you're not my own

3281
02:28:24,120 --> 02:28:21,670
children I have three children they're

3282
02:28:26,820 --> 02:28:24,130
all grown up no interest whatsoever

3283
02:28:28,620 --> 02:28:26,830
they're not hospice to it they just

3284
02:28:30,600 --> 02:28:28,630
aren't interested and I've never done

3285
02:28:33,570 --> 02:28:30,610
anything to encourage their interests or

3286
02:28:36,600 --> 02:28:33,580
discourage that's their decision and as

3287
02:28:38,790 --> 02:28:36,610
I say it's appealing to some people it's

3288
02:28:41,280 --> 02:28:38,800
not appealing to apparently most people

3289
02:28:43,530 --> 02:28:41,290
at least I'm on the level that did

3290
02:28:47,730 --> 02:28:43,540
appeal to us who are really immersed our

3291
02:28:50,219 --> 02:28:47,740
lives but you know it'll work itself out

3292
02:28:52,140 --> 02:28:50,229
these mysteries will remain and strange

3293
02:28:54,810 --> 02:28:52,150
things will happen strange things will

3294
02:28:56,560 --> 02:28:54,820
be seen and the people who want to get

3295
02:28:59,530 --> 02:28:56,570
answers who are curious

3296
02:29:02,310 --> 02:28:59,540
we'll act according well that's the good

3297
02:29:05,950 --> 02:29:02,320
question here with the old guard slowly

3298
02:29:10,770 --> 02:29:05,960
leaving is UFO research ultimately going

3299
02:29:20,520 --> 02:29:13,060
we'll continue in a different form

3300
02:29:26,560 --> 02:29:24,040
that way for example my major project in

3301
02:29:30,390 --> 02:29:26,570
the new century as I'm working with a

3302
02:29:36,160 --> 02:29:30,400
small group of international researchers

3303
02:29:39,370 --> 02:29:36,170
using the Internet to collect material

3304
02:29:41,530 --> 02:29:39,380
on anomalies from old newspapers

3305
02:29:44,560 --> 02:29:41,540
I you know for a fee you can get access

3306
02:29:47,950 --> 02:29:44,570
to thousands of old newspapers and you

3307
02:29:49,360 --> 02:29:47,960
have search words and I an immense

3308
02:29:52,150 --> 02:29:49,370
amount of material that I have

3309
02:29:54,820 --> 02:29:52,160
accumulated in this decade of old

3310
02:29:57,840 --> 02:29:54,830
newspaper clippings about a wide range

3311
02:30:00,820 --> 02:29:57,850
of 14 phenomena proto UFO sightings

3312
02:30:04,060 --> 02:30:00,830
mystery airships all those things

3313
02:30:06,600 --> 02:30:04,070
Krypton zoological phenomena called from

3314
02:30:09,370 --> 02:30:06,610
19th and early 20th century newspapers

3315
02:30:11,170 --> 02:30:09,380
so I've just been you know enormously

3316
02:30:12,550 --> 02:30:11,180
excited and there are other researchers

3317
02:30:14,710 --> 02:30:12,560
in this little group that I belong to

3318
02:30:19,870 --> 02:30:14,720
people from all over the world from

3319
02:30:21,940 --> 02:30:19,880
Europe and Russia places like that who

3320
02:30:24,400 --> 02:30:21,950
are doing the same thing and we're

3321
02:30:26,560 --> 02:30:24,410
changing information and really getting

3322
02:30:29,650 --> 02:30:26,570
a sense of you know the history of

3323
02:30:32,830 --> 02:30:29,660
anomaly how anomalies change our society

3324
02:30:35,560 --> 02:30:32,840
receives what people report what they

3325
02:30:38,320 --> 02:30:35,570
experience what the what the hoaxes are

3326
02:30:41,590 --> 02:30:38,330
it's just you know and it really gives

3327
02:30:46,750 --> 02:30:41,600
you a perspective on the more modern era

3328
02:30:48,670 --> 02:30:46,760
that we and so it to me it remains

3329
02:30:50,460 --> 02:30:48,680
fascinating and most people in this

3330
02:30:53,590 --> 02:30:50,470
group are lying goodnight

3331
02:30:57,220 --> 02:30:53,600
well shock delay is probably the oldest

3332
02:31:00,130 --> 02:30:57,230
member right but it's it's you know I

3333
02:31:01,690 --> 02:31:00,140
think there's definitely a future and

3334
02:31:05,680 --> 02:31:01,700
it'll be interesting I just wish I were

3335
02:31:07,210 --> 02:31:05,690
going to be around to see it well it

3336
02:31:09,791 --> 02:31:07,220
struck me as somebody that's a real

3337
02:31:13,271 --> 02:31:09,801
up-and-comer is a really good

3338
02:31:14,981 --> 02:31:13,281
research are very good digger and you

3339
02:31:18,071 --> 02:31:14,991
know if he's indicative of the new wave

3340
02:31:20,051 --> 02:31:18,081
of younger researchers that are that are

3341
02:31:22,961 --> 02:31:20,061
up and coming and then I agree with you

3342
02:31:25,211 --> 02:31:22,971
there is hope but kids kids nowadays

3343
02:31:27,810 --> 02:31:25,221
just seem in general to be pretty jaded

3344
02:31:31,241 --> 02:31:27,820
and cynical about pretty much everything

3345
02:31:33,281 --> 02:31:31,251
and I think it's it's it's hard to make

3346
02:31:35,591 --> 02:31:33,291
broad things like it people always said

3347
02:31:38,021 --> 02:31:35,601
that about young people I mean yeah a

3348
02:31:40,091 --> 02:31:38,031
thousand years ago said the same thing I

3349
02:31:43,031 --> 02:31:40,101
mean if people are different and there

3350
02:31:45,881 --> 02:31:43,041
are some people whose brains are in gear

3351
02:31:48,911 --> 02:31:45,891
and really wanted no stuff and I think

3352
02:31:50,350 --> 02:31:48,921
that describes it three of us and

3353
02:31:52,060 --> 02:31:50,360
there's there you know we're always

3354
02:31:55,241 --> 02:31:52,070
going to be a minority but there will

3355
02:31:58,451 --> 02:31:55,251
always be people who want to know who

3356
02:32:00,430 --> 02:31:58,461
have curiosity love knowledge you love

3357
02:32:03,220 --> 02:32:00,440
grappling with complicated difficult

3358
02:32:05,621 --> 02:32:03,230
questions there always will be people

3359
02:32:09,430 --> 02:32:05,631
Chris you mentioned Chris arbic Chris

3360
02:32:13,001 --> 02:32:09,440
all bags a great guy tail payments from

3361
02:32:15,100 --> 02:32:13,011
Holland is affecting researcher there

3362
02:32:17,321 --> 02:32:15,110
are some really good people of course

3363
02:32:20,111 --> 02:32:17,331
John Greenwald has always been I think a

3364
02:32:21,761 --> 02:32:20,121
real inspiration yeah the me and into

3365
02:32:23,591 --> 02:32:21,771
others with the amount of work that he's

3366
02:32:26,111 --> 02:32:23,601
done putting together the black fault I

3367
02:32:28,261 --> 02:32:26,121
mean that is talked about a resource I

3368
02:32:30,671 --> 02:32:28,271
mean that is a huge huge undertaking

3369
02:32:33,100 --> 02:32:30,681
that he's done plus he's got a radio

3370
02:32:35,291 --> 02:32:33,110
show plus he you know publishes plus

3371
02:32:37,211 --> 02:32:35,301
you've got all these wonderful projects

3372
02:32:40,810 --> 02:32:37,221
he's you're saying I'm asking about him

3373
02:32:42,701 --> 02:32:40,820
on this on the UFO speaking circuit I

3374
02:32:46,801 --> 02:32:42,711
think he's very grounded and he's a

3375
02:32:50,560 --> 02:32:46,811
little possibly overwhelmed in a naive

3376
02:32:53,321 --> 02:32:50,570
if I can say that in a kind and gentle

3377
02:32:55,001 --> 02:32:53,331
way I really like him one thing that

3378
02:32:57,551 --> 02:32:55,011
I've noticed though Jerry the last

3379
02:32:59,680 --> 02:32:57,561
couple of years we've seen what kind of

3380
02:33:02,470 --> 02:32:59,690
appears to be a bit of a resurgence in

3381
02:33:05,171 --> 02:33:02,480
interest I think in the subject you

3382
02:33:07,511 --> 02:33:05,181
could partially be due to a lot of the

3383
02:33:09,251 --> 02:33:07,521
shows that have been on the media seems

3384
02:33:10,781 --> 02:33:09,261
to be a little bit more open and

3385
02:33:14,411 --> 02:33:10,791
accepting of the subject matter I

3386
02:33:17,310 --> 02:33:14,421
noticed last year at the earlier this

3387
02:33:20,651 --> 02:33:17,320
year at the UFO Congress their inaugural

3388
02:33:22,720 --> 02:33:20,661
Scottsdale you know location since they

3389
02:33:25,780 --> 02:33:22,730
moved you know from Laughlin it

3390
02:33:29,110 --> 02:33:25,790
standing room only they had I think 1200

3391
02:33:33,700 --> 02:33:29,120
to 1500 people there the mufon this year

3392
02:33:36,910 --> 02:33:33,710
out in in Irvine had a surprisingly

3393
02:33:39,430 --> 02:33:36,920
large turnout compared to the last

3394
02:33:41,770 --> 02:33:39,440
couple of years so perhaps we are seeing

3395
02:33:44,381 --> 02:33:41,780
a resurgence of interest in in these

3396
02:33:46,270 --> 02:33:44,391
subject areas and and I and I did know

3397
02:33:47,950 --> 02:33:46,280
there's more and more young people too

3398
02:33:50,020 --> 02:33:47,960
that seem to be interested in and fairly

3399
02:33:52,480 --> 02:33:50,030
up to speed this is a very difficult

3400
02:33:55,120 --> 02:33:52,490
subject to to get up to speed on it's

3401
02:33:57,580 --> 02:33:55,130
it's you really have to be generated you

3402
02:33:59,171 --> 02:33:57,590
really have to do your homework to to be

3403
02:34:02,190 --> 02:33:59,181
able to speak intelligently about this

3404
02:34:04,720 --> 02:34:02,200
with some of the longer you know

3405
02:34:07,780 --> 02:34:04,730
research is no longer in the tooth shall

3406
02:34:10,930 --> 02:34:07,790
we say like the three of us but you know

3407
02:34:14,460 --> 02:34:10,940
I I do agree I think that there is just

3408
02:34:17,080 --> 02:34:14,470
a part of human the human psyche that

3409
02:34:19,390 --> 02:34:17,090
tends to get kicked off and some people

3410
02:34:21,341 --> 02:34:19,400
in terms of just being curious I think

3411
02:34:25,120 --> 02:34:21,351
it all boils down to just intellectual

3412
02:34:28,240 --> 02:34:25,130
curiosity and I think humans by and

3413
02:34:30,280 --> 02:34:28,250
large are curious unless they watch too

3414
02:34:33,511 --> 02:34:30,290
much television and then their curiosity

3415
02:34:37,921 --> 02:34:33,521
is or sped them well there'll always be

3416
02:34:40,631 --> 02:34:37,931
scientists and artists and you know

3417
02:34:42,881 --> 02:34:40,641
people doing interesting things that

3418
02:34:45,341 --> 02:34:42,891
aren't they're engaged with the world

3419
02:34:49,720 --> 02:34:45,351
outside there's also a television set to

3420
02:34:54,761 --> 02:34:49,730
their computer but they will always

3421
02:34:57,850 --> 02:34:54,771
drive the human adventure and we

3422
02:35:02,080 --> 02:34:57,860
ufologists are in that group of people

3423
02:35:03,850 --> 02:35:02,090
and you know we're you know I'm

3424
02:35:06,370 --> 02:35:03,860
interested in your horse because I find

3425
02:35:09,640 --> 02:35:06,380
a wolf interesting I find human beings

3426
02:35:12,580 --> 02:35:09,650
inside everything interesting and yeah I

3427
02:35:14,830 --> 02:35:12,590
know that makes me and us a minority but

3428
02:35:16,631 --> 02:35:14,840
we'll always be here well you know at

3429
02:35:19,720 --> 02:35:16,641
least our equivalents will always be

3430
02:35:22,480 --> 02:35:19,730
here and the human quest will continue

3431
02:35:24,460 --> 02:35:22,490
speaking of quest Jerry Clark you're

3432
02:35:26,950 --> 02:35:24,470
working on revision to one of your books

3433
02:35:29,320 --> 02:35:26,960
can you tell us more well I'm just close

3434
02:35:32,530 --> 02:35:29,330
to finishing I hope in the next few

3435
02:35:35,819 --> 02:35:32,540
weeks the third edition of my 40 an

3436
02:35:37,829 --> 02:35:35,829
omnibus unexplained and this one

3437
02:35:40,679 --> 02:35:37,839
an enormous amount of new material

3438
02:35:44,010 --> 02:35:40,689
independence is a significant revision

3439
02:35:45,629 --> 02:35:44,020
from the previous two editions and my

3440
02:35:48,329 --> 02:35:45,639
wife who was a professional

3441
02:35:50,609 --> 02:35:48,339
proofreader all of her editorial career

3442
02:35:52,800 --> 02:35:50,619
read over most of the manuscript

3443
02:35:55,739 --> 02:35:52,810
recently and to proofread it and without

3444
02:35:57,089 --> 02:35:55,749
any prompting from me she said this is

3445
02:35:58,739 --> 02:35:57,099
pretty good

3446
02:36:00,689 --> 02:35:58,749
so that was a little ball of

3447
02:36:02,219 --> 02:36:00,699
encouragement so maybe people will like

3448
02:36:03,449 --> 02:36:02,229
the book without me

3449
02:36:05,609 --> 02:36:03,459
well I think of course we'll have you

3450
02:36:07,379 --> 02:36:05,619
back on the show to talk about it and

3451
02:36:12,179 --> 02:36:07,389
you will send us autographed copies me

3452
02:36:15,300 --> 02:36:12,189
and Chris so that you look forward to

3453
02:36:17,159 --> 02:36:15,310
that so if someone wants to get more of

3454
02:36:21,389 --> 02:36:17,169
your information you have a website or

3455
02:36:23,189 --> 02:36:21,399
something I just a complete Luddite

3456
02:36:25,469 --> 02:36:23,199
you know I'm findable just look up

3457
02:36:33,359 --> 02:36:25,479
you're all part of Google you'll fight

3458
02:36:33,749 --> 02:36:33,369
me fair enough Chris where do we find

3459
02:36:36,779 --> 02:36:33,759
you

3460
02:36:39,689 --> 02:36:36,789
well I lurk on the paragraph form of

3461
02:36:42,510 --> 02:36:39,699
course the forum dr. Perik as calm as

3462
02:36:46,459 --> 02:36:42,520
you have a website this promise that I'm

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gonna be I'm locked out of my own web I

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need to to get that process along and

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revamping my website but at dollars

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range planet.com

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will get it fixed up will get it working

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not to fear Jerry Clark thanks for

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joining us this week on the power cast

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thanks for having me

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the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

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and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible